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Oh my, from our studios this week in Los Angeles
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and Tampa. This is green Tag Theme Park and thirty.
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I'm Philip and I'm joined as always by my delightful
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co host, Scott Swinson of Scott Swinson Cray Development. On
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Green Tag, we look at the top news each week.
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We pick the stories we think are the most important
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for theme park professionals, and we talk about them. We
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try and open a dialogue and ask questions. But you
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know what, this week I just couldn't resist talking about
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how six Flags did a six like Saint Louis. They
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they tried to open and then to just go. It
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didn't quite work.
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But in fairness, it's not quite six Flags. It's six
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Flags in name only. I think that's or currently in
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name only. I think that's important to say because I
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don't want to six Flags green Tag six Flags and thirty.
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I just really don't.
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Right now. It's owned by enchanted parks and it's still
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not a great opening season. But it is interesting because
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I feel like their response has been pretty swift, and
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maybe you could argue that in the response it differs
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from six Flags writ large, right, So maybe maybe maybe right?
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So I'm going to read here from the police report
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that said the first day of the season Six Fags.
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I love the fact that we're doing a story where
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we're quoting where we start with.
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Let's let's look at the police report. Now.
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For those of you who don't know what happened or
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what went on that all of a sudden should prick
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up your ears right away and be like, wait a minute,
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police report, what the hell?
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That's right?
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Basically, the tail dr version is they had to close
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early on their first day due to a fight, and
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the Eureka Police Chief Michael told First Alert for that
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there are as many as one hundred juveniles involved in
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multiple fights at Six Flags of Saturday night, which was
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their opening day. The chief said that the officers responded
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quickly and disperse the crowd. Parker officials decided to close
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Six Flags early to de escalate the situation, police said
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on Saturday. The chief also added that about half a
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dozen juveniles were detained, but there were no injuries or
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damage done to the park. Then, following that, Six Flags
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made a statement. The statement says, quote, we were made
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aware that a large group of teens arranged to meet
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at the park Saturday as part of a growing takeover trend.
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A small number of teens within the group were involved
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in an altercation with each other outside the park at
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closing time. Our officers on property, who were already monitoring
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the group, responded immediately, requesting assistance from eureich APDI and
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other agencies, and were able to get the situation under
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control fairly quickly. While this is not normal occurrence for
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the park, it is disruptive and six Flags Saint Louis
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has zero tolerance for such behavior. Then they talked about
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how they were going to bring back their chaperon policy
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effective yesterday Saturday, May second, and I looked up the
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chaperon policy. It's now on dedicated page on their website.
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The things that are most interesting is to me, this
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is like probably the most strict that we've seen in
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some ways.
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So it.
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Says guests age sixteen years old or younger, So it
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sets it at sixteen. So sixteen and younger must be
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accompanied by a chaperone who is at least twenty one
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to be admitted to or remain in the park. The
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policy will be effected daily during all operating hours. The
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chaperon must present a vowed government issued photo identification with
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date of birth. At ticket entry. One chaperon may in
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company no more than six six guests age sixteen or
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younger per day. Guest age sixteen years old or younger
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who are found inside the park unaccompanied by a chaperon
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will be subject to ejection. In addition, chaperon must accompany
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their party during entry, remain in the park, and be
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available by phone and in person for the duration of
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their stay. Guests seventeen of age or older should be
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prepared to present a valid government issued photo identification with
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date of birth at park entry to verify their age.
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If enable to verify proof of age, the guests may
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be denied entry into the park. The chaper Berne requirement
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applies to all Six Flags Saint Louis ticket and season
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pass holders. Wow, well, I want to.
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Take a hot step back for just a second. It
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says in the statement that in the six Flag statement,
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which made me laugh, It says, ah, where was it
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The altercation happened at closing time?
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Well, that's because they closed early.
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It's like it happened at closing time because once the
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altercation started, we decided it's closing.
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It's closing time. Closing time. Yeah, exactly.
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So I gotta say there is there is a part
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of me. God, this didn't make me sound so old,
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but there's a part of me that is just I
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find this, the need for this policy absolutely catastrophic. I
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think this is I think this is clearly the first
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step to it the end of a family theme park.
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I mean, if this is what's going to happen, and
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this is what is required, because I can remember, you know,
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I can remember, how are they going to handle school trips?
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You know, it means they're going.
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To have to have one per six, Yeah, one p six.
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It means they're gonna have to have so damn many chaperones.
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It's it's just it's mind body, because I can remember
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six Flags Great America. That was my part growing up
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as my home park, growing up in Gurney, Illinois, and
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it's a six Flags park, and we never even thought
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about fight. I mean, we were there to have a
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good time. We were there to have fun. We weren't
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there to beat the crap out of each other.
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So it was.
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I know, I know this makes me sound like reckon
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mart Day, but the truth is it's just sad because
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this is going to discourage families this is going to
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it's gonna make school trips Dardner impossible because if you
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have to have one for every six you know, there's
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a there's and there's a cost involved in that as well.
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You know, the schools or whatever the organization is are
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going to have to be able to uh pony up
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the extra admission costs unless six Flags has something going
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on with their group.
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Sales department, which we don't know. Y's but it's just
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I don't I just don't get do you know how
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early they closed? Do we know how early? Because it
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just as early closure.
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I don't know what that means, but it's because it's
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one of those situations where you know, they they clearly
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were trying to de escalate, using their words, trying to
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de escalate the situation. But if the only way to
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de escalate the situation is to close, yeah, then the
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situation is pretty grave. Yeah, you know, there's a lot
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of stuff. I didn't look too too much into it.
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I probably should have, well kind of. I mean, it's
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just a lot of this particulars we're not sure about.
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Like they said it was outside, right, so if it
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was outside, like what to your point, what's really the
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impetus of closing.
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If it's outside, it's just like what then you're just
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sending more people out into the mix, right, you're close.
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You're taking the families who were there to enjoy it
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with their young children and putting them in the middle
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of the crossfire.
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So and it didn't also didn't specify if the people
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who were involved were ticket holders or came from the park.
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That's the other thing too, right, because it's like, that's
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not a guarantee, right, it could have been a takeover
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of the parking lot, right, And then they're just they're
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just showing up. It's not necessarily like a ticket policy
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is going to do anything in that case. We don't
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know any of that. I'm sorry. If I'm sure that
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our wonderful commenters on YouTube probably know, and if you
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do have those details, please put them in. The One
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thing I was going to say about that, Scott is,
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last time we talked about chaperon policy, a lot of
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people in our YouTube comments talked about how they were
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in favor of it. And actually, I don't think any
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of the comments that we got a lot of comments
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on the chaperon policy, and none of them were negative.
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All of them support, and the reason is because they
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said it does make the park a lot better. It
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just makes it much easier. So they their point is
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having any policy is a step in the right direction.
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It's helping, and it makes them feel better at the parks,
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and it's helping to curb all of this. And I
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think though that this is the most extreme that we've seen.
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So yeah, and.
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Let me just clarify, I'm not against the chaperone policy.
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I see the need for it, it's very clear. I
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just find it very sad that we have a need
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for it because I think back to you know, Six
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Flags Great America, when I was in high school. One
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of my friends who had a driver's license would be
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able to drive us there. You know, somebody's older brother
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or sister would drive us there. We'd all hang out
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for the day. We get in the car, and we
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come home sunburnt and broke and you know, dehydrated, but
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we had a great time. And just the fact that
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that can't happen with this, with this cheperone policy, is
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very sad to me. It is very sad to me.
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It kind of makes me again, I know, this makes
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me sound like a crodgety old man.
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But it makes me sound like, dang, this is what
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the hell is happening?
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You know, why why can't why can't kids just go
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and have a good time? And you know, we talked
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about this in one of our other shows where we
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were like, why can't parks come up with things that
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keep people occupied enough so that they that this doesn't
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reduce boredom?
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I think that was a bonus show that we talked about.
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bonus show is why is this happening? Like is there
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an upstream way to correct this? And something that we
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came to on the bonus shows was thinking about rethinking
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about the entire thing and saying, well, if you're too
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busy having fun, you're not going to be bored enough
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to cause problems, and so the goal should actually be
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to make make people less bored at the parks, and
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then that trickles down into well, a lot of these
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classic just amusement parks whatever you want to call them,
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like six Flags parks, are kind of boring because you're
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waiting in line, you're staying, there's a lot of standing
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in waiting without any stimulation.
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And I'm going to throw this out there, and I
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know people are gonna get pissed about me saying this,
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but I would I would go so far as to
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say the whole reason not the whole, but the vast
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majority of reason that people get into fights is so
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they can get content.
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So they can WE talked about that too, Yeah, so.
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They can shoot it, put it up on social media somehow,
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and all of a sudden be the one who broke
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the story of the big fight, or we're part of
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the big fight, or we're you know. And so maybe
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the chaperone pulp. Maybe it's maybe it's like going to
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a Madonnacon, so you got to put your phone in
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a bag and you pick it up on the way out. Now,
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I realize that creates all kinds of other problems, communication problems,
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et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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But it's I just I don't know.
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I don't know what the answer is. I really don't
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know what the answer is because I'm always about trying
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to find solutions and I don't. As much as I
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appreciate this, the the attempt with the stricter chaperone policy,
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I I'm not sure that that's I know it makes
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people feel safer, but I'm not sure whether it really
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is going to work.
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You know, it's a great policy if there's a way.
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To appropriately instigate it, and maybe just the threat may
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you know, reduce the kind of of of.
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Violence or threat that's going on. But it's.
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I actually think it's just another It's just another nail
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in the coffin for the the the.
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Theme park industry as a whole.
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To note a few thoughts I have, it's only this
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one property, and maybe enchanted parts will roll out to
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their other properties, depend on how that goes. But you know,
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for now, it's just this one property that is this strict,
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and I think it is rapidly evolving. Right, every week
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we hear about new chaperone policies and they're all different,
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and it's all crazy. I think it's That's what's interesting
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to me is it makes one layer harder for you
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to figure out if you're going to go to a thing, Right,
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it used to be back in the day, even back
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in my day. You're like, you just drive a Disneyland
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and it was it was fine, And now you need
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an app and you need a reservation system. And everything's
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be planned out. I think now you're going to have
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to take the extra step of saying, well, if I
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have a family, can I even go? Can I take
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them with me? Or are we going to have to
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stay with the kids the entire day? Even as a family,
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even if you're there with your parents, you can't go
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off on your own, right, Like you gotta stick with
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them or you're you know, So there's a lot. I
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think it adds that extra stress level. But the other
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thing Scott I was thinking is it's sort of like,
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you know, in business, when they say you can choose
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your customer, and I think that here they are kind
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of making a lie in the sand a little bit
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by being like, these are not our customers, our customers,
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our families. They're not like these groups, these solo groups,
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maybe even not field trips. You know that this our
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customer is a different customer. And it isn't to say
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there isn't places like I think there are still parks.
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I mean you can go to parks, you can go
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to the malls.
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I think I'm not a teen, so I don't really know,
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but like my gym is full of teens, roving bands
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of teens, which I try and avoid as much as
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I possibly can because they're usually filming random stuff, so
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I just sort of move out of their way. But
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I mean, I think that it might also be they're
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just going to move to other spaces, and that the
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attractions are like trying to set up that thing where
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we don't really want them as customers, which to your
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point is it's sad in a way, but also it's
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not like there's no places for them to go.
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I just did a quick, quick AI search and it
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says that the majority of Six Flags parks a have a.
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Yeah, they do some sort yeah, none are this strict.
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So my colleague at at Trashed, the magazine who wrote
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about this story also did a nice chart that compares
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the different Six Flags policies, but this one is the
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most strict with the six per We should also note
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this week that Icon Park added a chaperone policy for
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miners after a teen incident at their park. Right so,
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Icon Park introduced the new chaperon policy for guests seventeen
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and younger following ever recent large gathering of teens at
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the Orlando Entertainment District. According to the official rules for
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Icon Park, miners may be required to be accompanied by
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a parent, gardener chaperone twenty one years or older in
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order to enter or remain on the property. So, in
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a way, a little bit less strict, but it seems
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like this writ large. This one from sixth Saint Louis,
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which is now owned by e Chada Parks, is the
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strictest and it also has the most step by step
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resources and a dedicated page on the website. Right, it's
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like transparent. It's up and it's up in the center
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for everyone, and it is pretty step by step. You know,
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you need IDs, even if you're seventeen, bring your ID
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only six people. You have to stay with them all time.
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You have to be able to reach my phone. You're
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going to be stopped to me. It's really really The
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other chaperone policies are usually like hidden in ticket disclaimers
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or here or there or whatever, and they're kind of vague,
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like this icon Park one, like they may be required
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to be a company.
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Okay, well they're a CYA, you know, they're they're a
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CUYA policy. But but you're right, six Saint Louis is
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very straightforward, very.
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Straightforward, and that's new. Like we said, it was just
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updated yesterday.
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Here's the thing. Here's the thing.
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If you're going to have this kind of chaperone problem
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or the chaperone policy to curb a problem of early
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teens fighting, and yet your target market for all of
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your advertising is your is the teen audience. That's sort
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of like saying, come to our park, come to our park,
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but don't come to our park.
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Well, that that's what I was alluding to in my
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comments right about how this could signal a shift, a
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shift writ large in the way that we think about
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who our customers are as attractions. Yeah, and that's that's
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sad or not, I don't know, it depends. I mean,
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you've done this with Vault of Souls. That's not for teens.
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Exactly. I think originally you could only come if you
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were twenty one.
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Right, and and so you see my point. But but
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you're all of everything in your brand was geared towards
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that from the beginning, precisely, And I think that's that's
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more the struggle here is like, well, it's just like
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they've been saying for you, remember the previous CEO or
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whatever when when he kind of referred to them as
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was it everything's confused my mind. It's I don't remember
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who it was, but there was a brand recently that
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was saying how they were trying to change their customer
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base because they were kind of like undesirable customers, kind
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of kind of the thing, and uh, it's just that
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is the type of thing that you need to It's
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much more, I think than just changing your chaperon policy,
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which is kind of what you're saying.
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Yep, that's exactly what you say.
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You got to like live and breathe it from a
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north star perspective.
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What what what products are you creating and who are
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you marketing to? And if you're doing if you're doing
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nothing but high end thrill rides that get the adrenaline
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going and get everybody hyped up and everybody pumped up,
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and then you're wondering why people are fighting.
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And you're making them bored because there's nothing to do
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and the lines are uncovered.
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And everything really hyped up.
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And then you make them stand and wait in a line,
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and then you get them really hyped up again, and
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then you make them stand and wait.
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Un Yeah, it's and some people in our comment section
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also brought up the the illogic in that you can
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a lot of these places then will have workers that
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are in this age or younger that are like running
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the rides so that they need a shaper. I mean,
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so people brought that up in our comments, and that's
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a good point. It's to your point about.
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So there's provisors become their chaperones. Is that the way
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that works.
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It's a little weird. Yes, anyways, so't come to their
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own park without a chaperone. That's interesting. That's interesting.
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Well, I will say that, I will say that all
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of this is scary. But now let's turn to something
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that's not so scary, because Philip is research on Mickey's
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Not So Scary Halloween and it's starting what yesterday? When
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when is this event starting?
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Now?
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It's well, tickets go and sale next week apparently, but
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apparently may eventually it'll be just a scary easter bunny
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that kicks it all off. And well, no, that was
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Horror unleashed. That was that was last month? Right, Actually,
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you know, actually that was last month. So I think
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that the thing about this, you know, this week. Of course,
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I'm sure everyone listening has already heard about this that
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Mickeys sound a scary Halloween party. Sets their earliest advance
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start ever. They're going to be starting August seventh, twenty
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twenty six, and running for thirty eight nights throughout the
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Halloween season. So basically it makes it a little bit
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more than three months because the deck core is going
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to be up earlier, so you're going to have it
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Halloween decorated for August, September, and October, and then you know,
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I think they usually cut off right immediately that night
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and then kind of trying and switch over to Christmas,
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but that's still about three full months, you know, of
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Halloween time. The only things that stuck out to me
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on this is just that they didn't change anything except
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the little dance party that is in Tomorrowland, which is
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like they just changed the thing to the dance party.
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There's always a dance party there. So prices stayed the
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same this year, but last year they were more expensive.
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And this is the earliest date, but the date has
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been fluctuating over the years, right, Like in twenty eighteen
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it was August seventeenth, but there was a date, so
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twenty twenty five it actually was late. It was like
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early early, and then later in twenty twenty five and
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now it's back to early So but.
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In looking at this, in looking at these fluctuations, this
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can very easily be calendar driven. It's calendar as to
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where these dates fall. And you know, here's here's the thing.
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It's making money. So obviously the the the financial people
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are going, well, how you know, let's let's just keep
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expanding it, let's keep printing that cash, you know, and
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you talk about them not changing anything with a not
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so scary Halloween event, then it does the exact same
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thing that Disney has always done, which is play on
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tradition and it becomes that tradition and when they try
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to change it, when they try to change something some year,
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there's going to be huge pushback. It's i mean, it
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always boggles my mind. It's like, we want something new,
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we want something new, don't take that away. And that's
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especially true with Disney. Disney is built on traditional experiences.
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So yeah, this is this just kind of makes sense
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to me really, And and the not changing price between
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last year and this year again when you go, you know,
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are going what eight days earlier? When you do that,
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you know, if there is any concern all of this
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is driven by by finance, it's all driven by what
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can we make? What is our anticipated you know, how
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much do we want to make on this? How much
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have we spent and with our operating days, how can
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we you know make this event. They always want the
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events to grow financially. Every park wants the events to
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grow financially. And this way what it sounds like to me,
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just kind of putting on my operational hat for a second.
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What it sounds like.
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To me is they didn't really want to invest a
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whole lot in it this year, so they didn't have
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to raise the dollars the admission price. They're basically, you know,
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admortizing what they've already spent.
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Number one. Number two.
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If they want to grow the event, well they've grown
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the event by eight days. If they can get eight
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days more admission or you know, then that's another that's
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another way to go back to the stockholders and go, look,
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we made more money. So it's yeah, this is to me,
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this is part of the course for Disney. This is
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just kind of what they do, so how they do it.
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I agree with all that. I do have some things
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I want your quick takes on, but I'm just gonna
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try and go pretty fast. So we can move. But
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basically this seems like too long of a seasonal run
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for me, because three months is too long, especially in Florida.
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It's too hot in August. I don't know this would
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work literally anywhere else because they're not changing anything, and
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I don't think other regional people or even places in
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California can get away with that. Even Universal Orlando has
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to change their houses at least in name and IP
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and you know, repainting or whatever. This is literally just
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the same event. And I'm wondering Scott because they paired
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this with their halfway to Halloween announcements, which have been
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happening since twenty thirteen or twenty twenty three, sorry, since
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twenty twenty three, and it's been expanding. They're halfway to
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Halloween and now they're doing like merch previews and all this.
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So part of me is like, is this them trying
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to really make sure that they move the merch and
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make a like try and pre sale as much as
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they can, or is this another sneaky way of like
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kind of like making a second gate that it that
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because like nobody wants it's like it's too hot in
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August to like really celebrate Halloween. That's kind of silly.
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And we talked last year about how the event is
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sort of like, you know, it's putting the operating day
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in half, so then you can sell a second gate,
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but it's in theory reduced crowd. So the tourists that
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are wanting to do you know, half a day Animal
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Kingdom and then buy the second ticket at and get
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on all the rides are you know, marketed to go
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visit it. So is this sort of just like a
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sneaky way of doing a second gate for a longer
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period of time or I don't know, that's a lot
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to throw at you, Scott, but give me your hot
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takes on that. Well.
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I mean, I think I think the simple answer is yeah,
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I mean, to all of it if it works. If
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it works that way, yeah, I look at this so,
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you know, if because Philip, what you guys aren't seeing
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is Philip has done a great sort of listing of
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when they started since twenty eighteen, and the biggest delta
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is ten days. So we're looking at a two week
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delta between twenty eighteen and this year, and it has
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gone back and forth, which I think is calendar driven.
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You know, I think they have recognized that this is
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a way to make money, whether it is that sneaky
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second gait or whether there's actually an interest in not
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so scary. But I think that the danger that we
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have to to or the thing we have to look at,
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is we can't compare this directly to a scary Halloween event.
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Scary Halloween events need to change more often because you
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can't scare somebody the same way twice when they know
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it's coming.
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It's not scary.
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This is not a scary basically. Yeah, this is more
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of a Christmas model, I think. And that's and it's Disney,
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so they're building upon tradition, they're building upon you know,
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let's go see the specific characters that we want to see.
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Let's go see the villains walk around, Let's go see
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the characters in their Halloween costumes. And families love that
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for generation after generation after generation. And so it's that
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the lack of change, it seems again sort of par
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for the course for this the expansion, Yes, technically it
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is the longest. However, you know, in twenty twenty four,
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and they opened on August ninth, which again is I
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think a calendar.
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It's calturation.51200:25:31.200 --> 00:25:35.440
And you know, is it something that is a sneaky51300:25:35.440 --> 00:25:36.599
way of getting a second gate?51400:25:37.000 --> 00:25:39.799
Absolutely, duh.51500:25:39.960 --> 00:25:42.160
And I think it's also a way to fight the51600:25:42.480 --> 00:25:46.119
park opper passes, you know, so that they can actually51700:25:46.200 --> 00:25:48.880
get a second gate by the time you have to51800:25:48.920 --> 00:25:52.000
by the time you normally go to hop, it's time51900:25:52.039 --> 00:25:55.240
for the second gate to start. So I think there's that.52000:25:55.680 --> 00:25:58.559
I also think that starting earlier and earlier, and those52100:25:58.559 --> 00:26:03.039
of your those are you're gonna My feeling is it's52200:26:03.119 --> 00:26:05.279
because pirates and princesses didn't work.52300:26:06.680 --> 00:26:09.599
Yep, that's what I was thinking. I was actually thinking52400:26:09.960 --> 00:26:12.079
that if you think about it in that lens, if52500:26:12.119 --> 00:26:14.000
you think about it in these two lenses where they're52600:26:14.000 --> 00:26:16.880
looking for a second gate so they can double monetize,52700:26:17.000 --> 00:26:19.599
especially during the summer, because families just get too tired52800:26:19.599 --> 00:26:21.319
because it's too hot, and so if you get a52900:26:21.359 --> 00:26:24.000
second gate, then you can double monetize by just adding53000:26:24.039 --> 00:26:27.200
it like two operational hours or something. So it's actually53100:26:27.480 --> 00:26:29.480
genius from that end, and then from the other end,53200:26:29.680 --> 00:26:33.119
they all they have always needed something after that summer rush,53300:26:33.400 --> 00:26:37.400
so like the August, like late July August, when summer53400:26:37.480 --> 00:26:40.079
is over, they've always needed something to bring people in.53500:26:40.160 --> 00:26:42.240
So I'm sort of like, isn't this sort of just lazy?53600:26:42.279 --> 00:26:44.799
We're instead of inventing a whole new event for one month,53700:26:44.960 --> 00:26:47.359
they're like, let's just extend that Halloween thing.53800:26:48.160 --> 00:26:51.599
So going back again, going back in our way back machine.53900:26:51.799 --> 00:26:54.960
When I first the first time I went to Magic54000:26:55.039 --> 00:26:59.559
Kingdom in Florida, the parks were open until midnight or one.54100:26:59.839 --> 00:27:01.519
That was just standard operating procedure.54200:27:01.599 --> 00:27:04.039
Yes, so now they've taken that operational day and broken54300:27:04.079 --> 00:27:06.519
into into two admissions.54400:27:07.359 --> 00:27:10.319
Yes, Yeah, that's good right, that's right, it's good money.54500:27:10.319 --> 00:27:14.240
That's the biggest thing I notice, basically on a macro trend,54600:27:14.559 --> 00:27:16.519
that's the biggest thing I noticed is that they're taking54700:27:16.519 --> 00:27:18.920
it and splitting in two and watch they're going to54800:27:19.000 --> 00:27:20.720
do the same thing with Christmas. So then you're going54900:27:20.799 --> 00:27:23.759
to get basically three six months half of the year55000:27:24.079 --> 00:27:27.119
where the calendar, almost every day at Magic Kingdom is55100:27:27.119 --> 00:27:31.119
split into two. And if they Jollywood nights right there,55200:27:31.119 --> 00:27:36.079
expanding it to Jollywood, so activating multiple parks. So if55300:27:36.160 --> 00:27:39.400
if they could take all of their capacity and just55400:27:39.559 --> 00:27:42.200
double it by just splitting their operating day in two,55500:27:42.680 --> 00:27:44.359
and then if they could add yeah and.55600:27:44.319 --> 00:27:47.359
I would think, I honestly believe that if Halloween didn't55700:27:47.400 --> 00:27:50.880
generate so much revenue that they that Christmas would start earlier.55800:27:50.920 --> 00:27:53.720
Because part of the reason that that they can't start55900:27:53.799 --> 00:27:56.000
Christmas any earlier is because Halloween, which is a major,56000:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.279
major cash cow, Halloween is there.56100:27:59.359 --> 00:28:00.279
I mean, you can't.56200:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.839
You're not going to move October thirty first, and they56300:28:03.839 --> 00:28:07.559
can't overlap the two because that just doesn't make a56400:28:07.559 --> 00:28:09.839
whole lot of sense. I mean, they can try Nightmare56500:28:09.880 --> 00:28:11.599
before Christmas. That you can try.56600:28:11.720 --> 00:28:13.920
Yes, they do it. They do it because Jack is56700:28:13.960 --> 00:28:16.079
part of both things. Like the Jack puppet, right that56800:28:16.200 --> 00:28:19.680
Jack puppet is isross the same Jack puppet. Yeah, the56900:28:19.720 --> 00:28:22.640
same Jack puppet leads the fireworks from Mickey Sensins Scare57000:28:22.640 --> 00:28:25.200
Halloween party and is also there. And the night before57100:28:25.279 --> 00:28:28.960
Christmas sing along that they do at Jollywood Knights, which57200:28:29.000 --> 00:28:31.920
only a crazy Halloween nerd like myself would know. But anyway,57300:28:33.599 --> 00:28:37.839
on your profitability two to we're almost done, so like57400:28:38.160 --> 00:28:41.359
two things to finish us off here is that I57500:28:41.400 --> 00:28:43.880
didn't realize this. I had missed this date, this data.57600:28:43.920 --> 00:28:48.759
But last year Merlin gave an interview to the Independent57700:28:49.319 --> 00:28:53.440
and they disclosed that roughly a fifth of its annual57800:28:53.519 --> 00:28:57.359
profit comes from October from the Halloween events at its57900:28:57.440 --> 00:29:01.880
various properties, and that is in Yeah, I couldn't believe58000:29:01.920 --> 00:29:04.079
they said that to The Independent, and I didn't fact58100:29:04.200 --> 00:29:05.720
I didn't call the Independent and be like, where'd you58200:29:05.720 --> 00:29:06.240
get it?58300:29:06.279 --> 00:29:07.759
Was this a real interview or whatever?58400:29:07.799 --> 00:29:10.160
So it's possible that it's that it's not, you know,58500:29:10.279 --> 00:29:12.119
but sorry, guys, I only have so much time to58600:29:12.160 --> 00:29:12.640
fact check in.58700:29:12.680 --> 00:29:15.079
But it doesn't and doesn't surprise me. But it doesn't58800:29:15.119 --> 00:29:16.039
doesn't surprise me either.58900:29:16.960 --> 00:29:20.519
And the other thing to note is that, just for perspective,59000:29:21.200 --> 00:29:26.240
the ticket prices have almost doubled since twenty eighteen, and59100:29:26.279 --> 00:29:30.519
that's I believe, outpacing inflation. So just because this last59200:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.079
year they didn't increase prices doesn't mean that overall the59300:29:34.119 --> 00:29:35.200
trend hasn't been going up.59400:29:35.960 --> 00:29:37.960
Well, but I think, yes, the trend has been going up.59500:29:38.160 --> 00:29:40.680
But again this year they decided, we don't really want59600:29:40.720 --> 00:29:41.519
to add anything new.59700:29:41.759 --> 00:29:45.119
We have to we have to show, we have to59800:29:45.160 --> 00:29:45.799
show growth.59900:29:46.119 --> 00:29:48.839
So instead of raising our ticket prices, we will just60000:29:49.039 --> 00:29:52.279
extend by well, from the fifty we'll extend by eight nights.60100:29:53.039 --> 00:29:57.279
And it's just a it's a numbers game. It is60200:29:57.319 --> 00:30:01.519
a numbers game, and quite honestly, they would be, you know, creeping.60300:30:01.599 --> 00:30:04.000
I wouldn't say this is a rapid expansion. I don't60400:30:04.000 --> 00:30:06.000
think it is. I think it's kind of creeping based60500:30:06.079 --> 00:30:08.759
on calendar. But I think it's also creeping based on60600:30:09.000 --> 00:30:10.319
how do we want to earn our money? Do we60700:30:10.319 --> 00:30:12.079
want to earn our money by clicks of the turnstile60800:30:12.319 --> 00:30:14.519
or do we want to earn our money by adding more.60900:30:14.279 --> 00:30:15.359
To the gate price?61000:30:15.799 --> 00:30:19.279
Do we want to start leaning heavily into our merchandise61100:30:19.440 --> 00:30:21.039
so that we can get that sold and make sure61200:30:21.039 --> 00:30:23.599
that we're not sitting on any merchandise because any merchandise61300:30:23.599 --> 00:30:26.480
that sits in our warehouse is not generating revenue for us.61400:30:26.519 --> 00:30:28.759
So there's a lot of different reasons for that. Ye,61500:30:29.759 --> 00:30:31.599
So anyway, we don't want to We don't want to61600:30:31.599 --> 00:30:34.920
sit on any facts. However, however, we are going to61700:30:35.119 --> 00:30:37.200
because it's the end of this show, but we are61800:30:37.240 --> 00:30:39.440
going to be talking about I had the chance last61900:30:39.519 --> 00:30:45.640
night to actually attend the Tea THEA Awards gala, and62000:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.119
in Unhinged, we're going to talk a little bit about62100:30:48.119 --> 00:30:52.480
that and a little bit about tea inspire and uh62200:30:52.559 --> 00:30:56.720
so if you're not, and well, I will see if62300:30:56.720 --> 00:30:57.039
we get.62400:30:56.960 --> 00:30:58.680
This looth World or not. I don't know. That's such62500:30:58.680 --> 00:31:01.680
a joke. Not a joke. It's a very serious situation62600:31:01.720 --> 00:31:02.960
that needs to be dealt with. But that's a whole62700:31:02.960 --> 00:31:04.400
nother strength. You had to mention that.62800:31:04.480 --> 00:31:07.000
Now I'm getting up on my on my little The62900:31:07.039 --> 00:31:09.440
only time I cried this week was from reading the63000:31:09.519 --> 00:31:13.359
updates of the soft World on the Central Florida website.63100:31:13.480 --> 00:31:15.160
Those are for anyway, for those of you who are63200:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.519
on the regular show and are not listening to Unhinged,63300:31:18.720 --> 00:31:20.480
which by the way, you probably should be if you're63400:31:20.559 --> 00:31:24.839
enjoying this. But I will just say, if you are63500:31:24.839 --> 00:31:30.559
an animal experience and you are not professional, trained, qualified63600:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.920
animal people, do not do it. It's criminal. And we're63700:31:34.920 --> 00:31:38.599
seeing exactly how criminal based on Sloth World. Anyway, that's63800:31:38.960 --> 00:31:43.559
just me being really pissed anyway on behalf of Philipernandez63900:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.720
with Gantum Lighting and Control of Myself, Scott Swins with64000:31:46.720 --> 00:31:49.319
Scott Swinson Creative Development. This is Green Tag Theme Park64100:31:49.359 --> 00:31:51.960
in thirty and we will see you next week.
