June 14, 2026

QUICK HITS: Oogie Boogie, Universal Kids, Carousel of Progress, & More

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This week is a catch-up: seven news items we hadn't gotten to yet, with a quick read on each.-Oogie Boogie Bash. Disneyland is replacing the Frightfully Fun parade with a Madame Leota's Swinging Wake cavalcade for 2026. For a limited-ticket event, swapping wait-and-watch for come-and-go gives guests more of their evening back, as long as it's well executed.
-Magic of Disney Animation. Disney detailed the new Hollywood Studios building, designed as a set of small interactive rooms. This is the micro-visit logic: one room is satisfying, three are satisfying, all of it is satisfying.
-Universal United Kingdom Resort. Universal's UK park is now officially named. How it positions itself relative to the existing European market remains an open question, and the company has not addressed it.
-Universal Kids Resort. Opens July 1 in Frisco, Texas, at $54 a day, about half the price of a regular Universal ticket, with marketing that leans into appealing to both the child and the caregiver in the same line.
-Hagrid's and Tokyo Disney. Universal Orlando pulled Express Pass from Hagrid's, and Tokyo Disney ended free Priority Pass on August 31. Both moves aim to simplify queue systems to restore overall capacity.
-Carousel of Progress. Walt Disney World closes the attraction on July 6 to time-shift its scenes from 1900, 1920, and 1940 to 1969, 1985, and 2000, with Walt himself returning as an audio-animatronic. Nostalgia needs a frame of reference, and the original scenes had passed out of living memory, which is the whole point of moving them forward.

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Okay from our studios this week in Los Angeles and Tampa.

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This is Green Tagged Theme Park and thirty. I'm Philip

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from Ganta Mining Controls, and I'm joined by my delightful

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co host, Scott Swinston of Scott Swinston creat Development. On

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Green tag we look at the top news each week

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and we explain why it matters for you as industry professionals.

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And you know, this week we're recording early because I'm

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by the time you're listening to this, I'm in Asia

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in Hong Kong for Ayapa Asia. So we're gonna do

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a little bit different this week in that there's a

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lot of stories we don't get to because we kind

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of spend too much time talking about storytelling or some

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other things, and so well, look I'm getting in the

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way already. I'm sorry me you We push stories down

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and so this week it's gonna be kind of a

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quick hits clip lightning round where we just the challenges

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get through as many as possible with it's.

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A way to catch up so we can drop them

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off our notes. That's what it really is. It's like Philip,

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because the notes and they just keep dropping to the

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bottom of the page and and so we're gonna try

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to get through as many as we can. So it's

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it's a gazillion different topics. In the next thirty minutes,

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we'll start with Ogibigi Bash.

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They are switching a parade for a cavalcade, so people

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will know Ogibigi Bash is the ticketed Halloween event that's

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happens in California. This is a California adventure and this

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year it has a record number of shows. They sell

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it every year, et cetera, et cetera. This year they

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are switching the parade, a frightfully fun parade for a cavalcade,

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which is called the Madame Leotis Swinging Wake, a Haunted

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Mansion street Party, and it says it brings frightful haunts.

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That is a Cali forn adventure with a street party

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full of show stopping moments and groulishly good times inspired

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by blood and Haunted Mansion attraction and hosted by Madame

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Leo herself. And then apparently the Headlessforsman is still coming,

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but he's going to be just randomly wandering around the

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park at different times.

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I don't know, Okay, anyway, quick quick, So.

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The backstory to this, which they didn't talk about but

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I know from my neighbor, is basically that you know,

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they're building the Cocoa ride, and so because the back

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because there's not enough room basically to run a parade

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because you have all the construction happening with Cocoa, and

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so I think this is their way to do that.

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But my question, Scott is how does this change the

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calculus for value? Because a parade is a lot of entertainment,

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it's also big crowd suck. You know, you're a lot

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of people are a lot of people are waiting there

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for this thing that happens twice at night. I think

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it's a really big part of the value proposition for

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this ticketed event, which is like one hundred and eighty

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dollars or you know, for five hours something like that.

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So now we're changing it to a cavalcade. What do

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you think, Well.

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Let me first ask when they do cavalcades. When they

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do cavalcades, are they NonStop or are they specific at

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specific showtimes?

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It depends, so some of them are non listed showtimes,

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some and we're not sure how this is going to

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be yet.

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Yeah, So to me, this is actually yes, there's a

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practical reason that they don't have a place to.

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Stage the parade. I got it.

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Cavalcades are also cheaper than parades. I also think it

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targets I also think it targets a different a slightly

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different demographic. It's shading into the demographic of I don't

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want to sit and watch the stuff. I want to

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do the stuff. I want to be, not on the sidewalk,

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I want to be in the street. So I think

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this is a great you know, I think they're using

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a practical reasoning because they can't they can't stage the floats.

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I think they're using a practical reason to do a

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great test market to see if cavalcades can replace parades,

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because parades, you know, if you think about it, theme

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parks do parades, especially Disney do parades because that's what

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they've always done. But you know, as you and I

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saw for when we were judging some of the end

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of Night spectacles.

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You don't need it.

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You don't need a parade to be and it's more

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fun to have it happen all around you. And if

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you are doing a limited ticket, an expensive limited ticket,

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instead of having to wait for the parade, which takes

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you away from other things. If this is a non

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stop cavalcade, if this is a non stop dance party,

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then you can go in experience it, you know. And

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I'm assuming it takes place on on Main Street.

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Yes, this is at California Adventure, but it's gonna it's

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California Adventure, Okay, it's gonna take.

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Place on the parade route.

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Yeah, on the parade route, so you get to go

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in and experience it and do it in your time

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so that you can spend the rest of your limited

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time doing other stuff. So I think they're going to

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find that it's going to be popular once people get

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over the fact that there's no parade. I think the

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idea of a parade is more impactful than an actual parade,

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and I think that changing people's mindset to go from

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a parade to a cavalcade is going to be harder

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than actually going from a parade to a cavalcade.

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I agree with all that. Actually, I was thinking, I

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go to these Halloween events. Obviously, Halloween's my secialty, and

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the parades are to me and maybe I have a

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different lens, but they're just stressful because it's like you're

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thinking what time is it, how many people are there?

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Where am I going to watch it from? You know,

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all that's it's a lot stress, that's you know, baked

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into it. And then if you especially with these events

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that are so expensive for a small amount of time,

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if you spend an a half hour waiting or an

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hour waiting, then you kind of.

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You you've reduced you've reduced the value of your ticket.

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That's right, that's right.

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And so the only thing I would push back on here,

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which is something that so you know, my neighbor performed

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at Disney California Adventure for the Asian Pacific Islander Month.

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And what they did was they hired different groups and

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they did six shows and thirty minute shows, lots of

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interactivity in the shows. Kids came up and dance, They

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taught them dances. It was a really good show. But

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what I was like, why didn't they add something else?

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So it's it's like, right now, I think it's the

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perception is it's it's simply subtractive, or if even if

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you're being generous, it's it's even so you're losing a parade,

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but you're getting a cavalcade. Why didn't instead they say

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we're going to do this cavalcade, and then we're going

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to do this a few other character interactions, you know,

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or simultaneous cavalcades, or you kind of just put other

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things to do just you know, random character interactions in

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other places to kind of make it seem like they're

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overall adding instead of.

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Well, and it all comes down. It basically all comes

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down to how do they execute it. I mean, yep,

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you can take You could take parade floats, park them

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on the street and do a cavalcade around them.

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Yeah that's true, leaveing them the whole night. Yeah, yeah,

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it's true.

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All right, next okay, next on. I think that's the

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same theory. Actually, So it's interesting. So we got new

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details for the Magic of Disney Animation, which is coming

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to Disney Hollywood Studios. We've been talking about this a lot,

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so I don't want to really, I'm not going to

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read all this because you all, I'm sure already have

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seen the graphic. But if you look at the little

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graphic and you look at the different areas that they have,

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I'm thinking it's almost the same philosophy has what Scott

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exactly just said for this, which is that.

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It's like it's the opposite of going and having to

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wait in a long line for a big E ticket ride. Right.

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This is like looking at this is a you know,

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there's it's a big building with a bunch of smaller

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rooms and different interactive activities, right, And so it seems

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like it's something more where you could casually stroll in

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and do one or two things and have a moment

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that's just you or you drawing a character or whatever.

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You have more ability to do things and participate, and

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it's a less stressed about a line and it's all

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indoors and air condition And I think it's a similar

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sort of thinking of instead of everybody waiting for a parade,

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we're breaking it up into smaller interactions you can have

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individually with people.

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Because it's a swinging wake.

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This is the same idea where instead of waiting for

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a big E ticket that takes the same footprint, you

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can go in and you can draw animation over here,

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where you can take a photo with a hologram.

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Over here, you can do this over here or whatever.

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What do you think, Scott Now.

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I think you're absolutely right.

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I think basically it's the concept of the micro visit

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that's the idea, the idea of I may not, and

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this is gonna be hard for Americans of a certain age.

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There's a certain demographic that has a checklist mentality that says, well,

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if I'm.

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Gonna buy the ticket, I gotta see absolutely everything that's right.

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So that's going to take a little changing. I don't

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think that's as true with younger families. I think that,

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you know, younger families recognize, especially with very precocious or

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very strong willed children, they will say, I want to

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do this, and I want to do this again, and

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I want to stay here.

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I don't care about that. Let's do this. And I

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think this allows them to do that.

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It allows them to If you do one thing, you

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have a micro visit, which is very satisfying. If you

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do two things, you have a slightly longer visit that

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is very satisfying.

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If you do it.

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Absolutely all of it, you've spent a little bit more

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time waiting around, hanging out, but you still feel satisfied.

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size it based on their family's needs. So I think

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this is the right choice.

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Yep, yep, Okay, next up, I'm not sure how much

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there is of this news, but basically.

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Yes, short when we get through this pretty quick.

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Basically we've been talking that we've been tracking the new

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theme park that Universal is building in the UK, and

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they announced it's going to be called Universal United Kingdom Resort.

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I think that's it. Was there anything else in this,

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I'm a.

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Gonna say, great?

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Next, No, it's it's I find it interesting that they

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are because again I heard the GM of of Epic

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talk a little bit about it at a at a convention,

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well now, a couple of weeks ago, and he basically

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nobody seems to be talking about where they're positioning themselves

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in the area. They keep talking about how the area

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wants them there and they feel that it's going to

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be a great thing for Universal, which I think it is.

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But you know it's so Universal UK has announced its name,

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which is Universal United Kingdom Resort.

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Next. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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Well, we're gonn to keep on the Universal train because

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the Universal Kids Theme Park announced that they are opening

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July first, which is in just two weeks from when

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you want to listen to this. That's, of course, their

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new kid centric theme park near Dallas, Texas. With rides

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in to Shrek, SpongeBob, Troll's Minions, Puss in Boots, and

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Jurassic World, plus a Gabby stall house area and the

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two I'm sure you all have already heard all about this.

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The only things I thought we were interesting for this show

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is one in Universal's blog post. It kind of reads

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like a marketing pitch where they are making a would

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I would say a pretty strong connection between what we

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talked about at this point several weeks ago that Scott

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brought up, which is that a lot of the summer

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appeals are appealing to the child and the child's caregiver,

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and that seems to be the exact playbook that they

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are using here in their little blog post that is

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actually like a press release in my opinion. And then secondly,

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also via Danny, my colleague at Attractions Magazine, she did

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some sleuthing on the website and she pointed out that

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actually they're not going to be opening you around because

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there are quite a few dates that they are closed,

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which include November three, four, ten, eleven, seventeen, eighteen, and

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November twenty sixth, plus December twenty fifth and January fifth

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through eighth eleventy fifteenth and nineteen through thirty first, so

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basically whole chunks of when families are actually Availa multi coal,

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which I don't know, could be maybe they'll change that,

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or maybe it's a staffing issue, or they're already projecting

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low attendance.

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I don't know.

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It's also is pointed out now that we have pictures

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of some of the areas that it doesn't, you know,

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look as good as some of the new Universal properties,

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which I think is probably by design because this is

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a kids park that's meant to be a local thing

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for one metro area. I don't think this is really

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meant actually to be a destination resort.

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It's not even it's not even part of the resort's team.

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It's actually part of the destinations and experiences team. So,

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and there's a lot of things that I find very

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interesting as far as how they're positioning it. First of all,

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let's look at the let's look at the at the

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closure dates. Basically, this means they go to weekends in

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November and weekends in January. Yep, that's kind of that's

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kind of what they're doing. So and and maybe it's

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you know, maybe it's because November is it's it's hard

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to know exactly when school's out, so they'll just do November.

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They'll just do weekends in November, and they'll just do

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weekends in January because again I think January is the

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new shoulder season anyway.

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It used to be October, but that's not true anymore. Yeah.

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So there it looks like they're going to weekend only

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operation and extended weekends, yes, or expanded weekends, but.

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They are still open at these you know, in January

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and November, but just not you know, they're open the

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the like January, they're open the ninth and tenth, and

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they're open the sixteenth through the eighteenth. You know, so

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I think they're they're just going to limited operation. Uh,

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they are still considered a year round park.

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I guess, I guess.

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But I also think it's very interesting that when you

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look at any of the promotional stuff, does it look

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like another existing park of a different brand to you?

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Does it resemble Oh, I don't know, perhaps Lego Land.

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been saying that too.

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Yeah, that is it looks like it looks like Lego Land,

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which means that it's going after that same demographic yep.

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And it means that they're you know, that's why there

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are Lego Lands in a lot of different locations because

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they are more of a I don't necessarily whether I

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call them local, but they're certainly regional. And as things

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move forward, you know, based on so many of the

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trends that we're seeing, having something that is local, if

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travel trends continue to be what they are, if gas

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prices continue to be what they are, if international travel

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continues to be what it is, low end international travel,

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then this might be a nice piece for their portfolio.

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It might be a nice little test. And I think

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testing it in Texas makes tons of sense. It's it's

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a good it's a good, good market to test this

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kind of thing. And even down to the logo for

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the park itself, if you look at the logo for

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the park itself, universal is te any tiny, but you

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know what's really big kids. So they make it very

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clear that this is a different experience. And and again

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the challenge, I don't think I think what they're doing

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is right. I think where they may fall short and

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where they may have some stumbling blocks, at least, in

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my opinion, is convincing guests who are coming there that

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it is not Universal Orlando, that it is not Universal Hollywood,

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it is not any of the Universal studios outside of

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the United States. It is its own kids resort. So

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it's it's more of the like Universal with a high

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end playground. And I think that that brand confusion is

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going to be tough to overcome, and I think it's

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going to get a lot of negative off the off

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the at the beginning, because they just it's just not enough,

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you know. And I think we've and I think we've

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seen that to a certain extent with uh with Horror Unleashed, Yeah,

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where they just haven't been able to quite tell people

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it's not really Horror.

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Nights, that's right, right, It's it's.

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Its own thing.

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And and I think that anytime you become so incredibly

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well known for something, it is very courageous to set

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out and try to continue to expand and diversify your portfolio.

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But I think it's also in the long run, a

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very wise move. So we'll see how it pans out for.

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Them, right right, Yeah, Yeah, that's good. I think.

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The brand confusion definitely is going to hurt them, which

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is something that Lego Land is not fighting against. And

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I would also point out too that Lego lands further

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along on this journey where the Lego Land Shanghai, like

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I said this before, and Legoland Shanghai is an incredible experience.

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It is the theming, you know, the it's very well

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it's Legolan and Shanghai is like made for kids, but

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something that adults you could see them wanting to go

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to just because it's it's so well produced. And I

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think that's also that'll be also interesting to see with

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this is what actually looks like you know, the execution

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all right, what is the execution on this the yep.

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But I will say the pricing, the pricing is if

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nothing else, the pricing will explain to them because it's

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only what forty forty two I wrote it down here somewhere, sorry,

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fifty four fifty four dollars for a ticket, Yes, for

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a day ticket, so it's it's half price of one

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of the actual universal parks, and a two day is

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seventy three ninety nine and a silver pass is one

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hundred and twenty nine to ninety nine, one hundred and

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sixty four ninety nine with parking, so you know, slightly

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more than a day ticket for Universal Orlando, especially if

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you get.

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A multi park ticket.

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That's a good point.

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So hopefully, hopefully that pricing structure will open people's eyes

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so that it will help curb their expectations.

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Good point. Good point.

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Okay, we're I guess we're going to stick with Universal

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for this next story as well, because there's been a

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lot of talk about how Universal Orlando has removed the

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express pass for Hagrids. We were asked to talk about

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this a few weeks ago, and so sorry it took

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us weits to get here. But you know, I don't

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know Scott is closer this might have a better take

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on it. But from what I understand that, you know,

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there were some unlimited express passes and people were kind

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of abusing them at the Hagrids and so instead of

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limiting the express they just.

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Removed it entirely from Hagrids.

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And you know, I'll read here a little bit from

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Dean Parkingsider that says the addition of Universal Express que

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has been awful for fans waiting in the stand by

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a Q for Hagrids, which is already one of the

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longest waits in the park due to the Riot's popularity

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and its capacity stand by time, so the ride routinely

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stretched into multiple hours, which could not have been good

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for the guest. Satisnational Scores at Lands Adventure. We'll pair

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that with a story from Toko Disney Resort. Tokyo Disney

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Resort is going to end their free priority pass service

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on August thirty first. What that means that if you

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want a priority past, you're going to have to purchase

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it just so basically to explain for people, Japan still

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operated to kind of in the way that we used to.

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I don't even know how long ago here, I only

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have vague memories of this, but remember when you used

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to go up to those little machines and you could

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put in your your ticket and they would spit out

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like and you didn't have to pay.

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For it, right, They'd they'd give you a virtual queue.

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Yeah, they'll there'll be some listeners who are like, what

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are you talking? But like that this used to be

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a thing kids, where you would go to physical machines

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and the part so Tokyo still had a system similar

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to that where you would just scan your ticket and

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you could basically reserve for a virtual queue for rides

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and you wouldn't have to pay anything for this service.

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And so they're discontinuing that and moving entirely over into Premiere.

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They were using both.

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They were like, if you want to pay to just

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go whenever you want, here's a price, or every you know,

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two and plus hours or whatever. You can get a

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virtual queue reservation, or you could just stand in line.

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You could do any of those. And now they were

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limiting that.

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And also Hagrids is doing the opposite by just taking

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away way all express well.

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I think I think that the story, you know, that

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what you read for Hagrids is actually part of the

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reason that it's that Hagrid's was the one selected to

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not the Hagrid's Q is is. I don't think they

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ever anticipated Haggard's being as popular as it is Hagrid's Q.

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And it's also you have to keep in mind that

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it was also kind of built into it was it

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was retrofit a little bit. It was kind of squeezed

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into what used to be something else. And so from

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and and again I don't work there. This is not

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from any official source, but anecdotally from people that I've

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talked to. UH, they said that the queuing at Hagrids

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was so poor that the addition of the lightning lane

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basically just made the overall capacity less. So what it

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did was it it impacted because of the way things

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were laid out, it impacted the entire boarding experience negative,

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which basically made the number of guests who can experience

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the attraction per hour less. Now I can't I can

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neither confirm nor deny this statement.

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This had not come from Universal.

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I do not have any insider information, but this is

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this is what I have been told by some people

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who actually were involved in the installation of the ride,

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and there was there's been concerns from the get go,

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but I think that the the intent of being afraid

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not to do a lightning lane was superseded. It superseded

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the actual Oh my gosh, if we do a lightning lane,

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it's going to make it worse for everybody. So that's

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what I have been told. Now, whether that is accurate

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or not, I, like I said, I cannot. I cannot

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say for certain, but it does make sense because if

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you've ever been in that queue and you see where

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the Lightning lane goes and you see where they and

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you see how it awkwardly boards. To just keep people

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pumping through that queue is going to be significantly easier

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and more efficient than the the stop and go that

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was necessary for the Lightning lane. Well, like I said,

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don't know whether that's true or not, but it does

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make sense to me and I and I have seen,

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you know, and and kind of ties into what Tokyo

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Disney is doing as well. If you've got instead of

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three different ways of tracking how people come in, if

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you've only got two, it's going to increase efficiency. Yes,

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there will be an additional revenue, you know, bump. We

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get that because of people who were doing just the

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free virtual queue or reserving a time, but those would

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you know, those would would well, since you weren't buying

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the I you don't whether you can use sell out,

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but those would become not available later in the day

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as well. I did that honestly the last time I

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was or one of the times that I was in

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California at Disney. So yeah, it's been a while, but

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so anyway, that's the that's the that's my take on

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the operational side of Lightning lanes and priority pass cues

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and all that, because it's you kind of have to

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look at sometimes you have to look at the holistic picture.

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You have to look at the big picture and see

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is this going to impact negatively more people?

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Right?

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So I think that we don't know.

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Again, we don't have any insight on the Tokyo thing,

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but I would say, I would hazard that both decisions

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are probably exactly what you're saying, which is improving the

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holistic experience, because that's just like you know, generally from

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the Japanese culture, that's probably probably more about what they're

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concerned with. And I did read a little bit on

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the from the Japan Times about some of the feedback

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from people saying that a lot of people are abusing

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00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:48.559
the system somehow and so, but it's the same principle, right,

473
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which is that cues were not classically designed to deal

474
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with these two types of like they work best when

475
00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:57.759
it's just a single stream of people. It's more efficient,

476
00:22:58.000 --> 00:22:59.759
and so there are still going to be premiere, but

477
00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:01.559
the of people, I think the pay for Premiere is

478
00:23:01.599 --> 00:23:04.319
significantly lower than the virtual Q stuff, so it kind

479
00:23:04.359 --> 00:23:06.559
of should should improve efficiencies.

480
00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:08.799
I mean, a perfect, perfect example if you've ever been

481
00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:12.359
to Florida driven across I four, those places that have

482
00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:16.680
three lanes merging into one merging onto I four versus

483
00:23:16.759 --> 00:23:20.880
one merge onto I four, there's always a backup by

484
00:23:20.920 --> 00:23:25.079
the big years. So and that's why, because instead of

485
00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:29.119
just one lane smoothly coming on, you've got multiple lanes

486
00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:31.359
merging into each other and then merging onto I four.

487
00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:34.000
So it kind of makes sense if you think about it.

488
00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:38.200
Yeah, okay, maybe does this make sense?

489
00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:40.440
Does this next story make sense if you think about it?

490
00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:43.680
I don't know. I think so. I was just trying

491
00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:47.000
to make sense. So Carousel of Progress.

492
00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:49.160
We this is a few this is many weeks old,

493
00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:50.440
so I'm sure all of us are aware of it,

494
00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:53.519
but we you know this Carousel Progress. They're closing the

495
00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:56.359
ride in a few weeks on July sixth to install

496
00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:58.799
new scenes. And what they're going to do is instead

497
00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:01.680
of portraying life in the ninth, teen hundreds, twenties and forties,

498
00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:04.960
it will shift sixty years, so it's going to be

499
00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:08.480
nineteen sixty nine, eighty five, and two thousand. The original

500
00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:10.880
idea to time shift the experience so it is no

501
00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:13.720
farther away from us in the past, as the original

502
00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:15.599
was from the audience at the New York's World Fair

503
00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:18.440
in nineteen sixty four, So the rear Mansion experience will

504
00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:21.920
begin in the nineteen sixties with Walt Disney World, with

505
00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:25.240
Walt Disney himself actually introducing guests to the optimism of

506
00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:27.559
the World's Fair and the space race. Then the theater

507
00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:30.319
will rotate through an all new nineteen eighty six sequence,

508
00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:32.440
a y two K inspired in an era, and a

509
00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:35.640
retro futuristic off planet finale designed to remain timeless for

510
00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:38.160
future generations. One of the biggest changes, of course, is

511
00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:40.839
going to be Walt Disney himself as an audio animatronic,

512
00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:43.799
and Disney said the new opening scene is inspired by

513
00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:47.960
Walt's nineteen sixty four television special Dissland Goes to the

514
00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:50.440
World's Fair, where he introduced the audience to the original

515
00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:52.599
concept behind the CAROUSELO Progress.

516
00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:55.440
Oscott. What do you think I mean?

517
00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:59.440
I think, on its surface, yeah, it's it's keeping the

518
00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:04.279
original tent of the ride, which is, yeah, you know,

519
00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:07.200
keeping that story. And I actually think the introduction of

520
00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:10.240
the wall animatronic hopefully it's a better one than what

521
00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:13.519
we got at Disneyland. But you know, with that awkward,

522
00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:16.839
that awkward one. Hopefully it's better than that one.

523
00:25:17.079 --> 00:25:19.920
But I look like him. Maybe, I don't know.

524
00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:22.640
We'll see, we'll see, we'll see.

525
00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:26.200
No, I sorry, go ahead, No, I want to hear

526
00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:28.279
what you take about this from a storytelling perspective.

527
00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:31.480
I can't wait. I can't wait.

528
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:33.759
I think this is going to be so cool, because

529
00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:36.599
again I loved Carousel of Progress.

530
00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:38.880
I thought it was I thought it was.

531
00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:41.279
I love it too, very It's one of my favorite rides.

532
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:48.400
Actually very nostalgic, really fun, really charming. But you know,

533
00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:53.480
when you look at it now, the people who were

534
00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:57.240
seeing it in the nineteen sixties were nostalgic about the

535
00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:59.519
forties and even the twenties, depending on which generation of

536
00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:04.880
the family there, even the nineteen hundreds. But there's nobody

537
00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:07.720
who's going to be nostalgic about the nineteen hundreds because

538
00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:13.359
they're dead. So it's I think it's important to make

539
00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:16.559
it so that there's something that the audience can connect with. Yep,

540
00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:19.400
this kind of this is something that happened at TGI

541
00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:23.160
Friday's restaurants several years ago, quite a few years ago now,

542
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:27.720
because originally they used to decorate them with things from

543
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:31.240
the fifties, sixties, and seventies because they opened in the seventies,

544
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:35.000
then they shifted. They kept shifting decades so that the

545
00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:38.359
earliest decade got newer and newer and newer, because they

546
00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:40.680
wanted to make certain that it had a sense of nostalgia.

547
00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:44.200
But the difference between nostalgia and history is point of

548
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:46.640
view or frame of reference. So if you have no

549
00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:49.839
frame of reference for the nineteen hundreds, it's not nostalgic.

550
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:53.720
It's just a history class. So keep it nostalgic, keep it,

551
00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:58.119
keep the emotion in the storytelling, you know, because again

552
00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:02.519
for me, nineteen sixty nine will be very nostalgic. It

553
00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:05.559
will be very cool. I was a small child. Nineteen

554
00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:09.240
eighty five is the year, and yes I'm giving away

555
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:13.119
all of my ages here, but nineteen eighty five was

556
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:16.680
the year I graduated college, so that will be very

557
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:20.119
nostalgic for me. And two thousand seems like yesterday, even

558
00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:21.839
though I know it was over twenty five years ago.

559
00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:27.680
So because I remember the Y two K, you know, revaganza,

560
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:30.279
and how terrified we all were that computers weren't going

561
00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:37.720
to work on January second, So it's it reinvigorates great

562
00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:41.400
storytelling and moves it forward. Now, I do understand that

563
00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:44.480
with any Disney, with any Disney attraction, the moment you

564
00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:47.799
change it, the traditionalists go, yes, but we're going to

565
00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:51.119
lose all the blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

566
00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:53.400
And I think that's valid. I think that's valid. I

567
00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:54.079
understand that.

568
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:57.279
But I think that if you're going to try to

569
00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:01.880
continue to engage audiences in storytelling that is relevant to them,

570
00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:06.480
if you do something that was originally designed to be nostalgic,

571
00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:10.400
you have to make sure that it doesn't become historic. Yep,

572
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:11.400
I agree with that.

573
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:15.640
I think it's it's an interesting balance between this corocel progress,

574
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:19.039
which is in a way become its own. It's taken

575
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:22.240
on its own, separate identity, as like a classic ride

576
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:26.319
at Magic Kingdom. So it's kind of it's almost has

577
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:29.359
created its own ip where it's become this thing. And

578
00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:31.640
I think that's more what people are responding to. It's

579
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:33.680
not like they're like, oh no, I won't get to

580
00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:35.759
see this thing that reminds me of my childhood, Like no,

581
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:39.720
It's more like they're responding to, like not the scenes themselves.

582
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:42.400
But the ride itself has become nostalgic to their childhood,

583
00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:45.599
Like they think it's more like that, but like to

584
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:48.839
your point, you know, the goal of the ride is

585
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:53.279
to evoke that nostalgia and then to inspire for a future.

586
00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:55.279
That's the original intent of the ride. So if you're

587
00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:57.359
going to say true to the intent of the ride,

588
00:28:57.440 --> 00:28:59.799
you have to shift it. If you're gonna stay true

589
00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:01.920
to like this is an icon of the park, then

590
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:03.599
you would leave it. But and I think they're saying

591
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:06.279
it's more important to stay to keep Walt's vision for

592
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:07.559
the ride than it is to keep it.

593
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:09.960
And I think that the reason it became an icon

594
00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:12.480
for the park is because when people first saw it,

595
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:16.640
they understood the nostalgia of it. So by not allowing

596
00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:19.799
it to age forward, I think what you're doing is

597
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:23.559
you're selfishly keeping that sense of iconography for the future

598
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:26.839
away from a whole you know, two or three generations.

599
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:31.279
So you have to make certain that warmth, that warm

600
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:34.240
fuzzy that you got when you experienced Carousel Progress the

601
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:38.680
first time is something that is not so far distanced.

602
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:41.400
And I do believe that people's understanding of time and

603
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:45.519
culture has compressed. I think that you know it used

604
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:47.119
to be, you know, even when you just look at

605
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:50.480
the generations, when you look at boomers and exers, and

606
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.799
it's now so compressed that we're talking about generations that

607
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:57.400
only last three to five years as opposed to thirty

608
00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:00.440
to fifty years. So I think it's I think it's

609
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.240
important to keep it moving forward. I think it's important

610
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:07.519
to keep the intent of the ride the way Walt

611
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:10.000
intended it to be. And I think it's also important

612
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:11.880
for us to say that we are out of time

613
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.480
and we look forward to seeing all you. We got

614
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:17.440
through quite a bit though this is we really crammed

615
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.400
it in here, so I am proud of us. Philip,

616
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:23.160
we did a nice job. So good job on behalf

617
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:25.599
of Philip Bernandez with Gantum Lighting and Controls and myself

618
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:28.519
Scott Swinson. Swinson with Scott Swinson created development. This is

619
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:31.000
Green Tag theme Park in thirty and hopefully next week

620
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:32.319
I'll be able to talk again.

621
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:34.000
Bye.