Dec. 8, 2024

Will Busch Gardens Suit Jeopardize Live Entertainment?

A Florida jury found Busch Gardens Tampa Bay partially at fault after a 12-year-old boy entered the Stanleyville Theater while it was not in use, accessed, and fell off the trampoline, lacerating his right kidney. This week, we discuss the impact of events like this on the industry. Plus - Universal Hollywood’s schedule and Disneyland’s 70th Anniversary.

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A Florida jury has ordered United Parks to pay $5 million to the family of a 12-year-old who was injured during Howl-O-Scream at Busch Gardens Tampa Bay in 2022. The boy entered the Stanleyville Theater while it was not in use, accessed, and fell off the trampoline, lacerating his right kidney. While the jury found the family partially at fault, this event will echo throughout the industry and potentially inhibit live entertainment at parks. This week, we discuss the impact of safety incidents like this, plus- review Universal Hollywood’s schedule and Disneyland’s 70th Anniversary.

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Show Notes

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From our studios, this time in Las Vegas and Tampa.

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This is Green tagged theme Park in thirty. I'm Philip

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and I'm joined as always with my co host Scott Swinson.

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Scott Swinson Creativelopment. I'm in Vegas for LDI, which is

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happening this coming week, which is used to conflict with AYAPPA,

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but now they're separate. But it's for all the lighting

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designers in the entertainment and beyond every type of lighting.

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So maybe next week we'll talk about that. But you

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are so tired.

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I can just do lighting designers for the entertainment industry

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or for the attractions and industry and beyond.

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Yes, I'm basically sleepwalking or sleep talking.

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I don't is that a thing?

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This could be a great show. It's a thing now,

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all right. Universal Studios Hollywood announced their twenty twenty five

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calendar of events, and we got some interesting information on

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this calendar events.

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I thought we would, you know, maybe.

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Just look at so first of course, is that the

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Fan Fast Nights is coming in April April twenty fifth

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through May eighteenth. We've talked about that before where it's

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different ips and in my view, it's kind of like

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a Halloween Horn Nights type event, but not horror based.

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It is other ip based, So I think I'm really

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excited about this. I'm really interested to see how they

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execute it. But it's coming up in April, which is

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almost a month run, which I think is pretty good

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for a first year event. And then Halloween Horror Nights

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is on here from September fourth through November TEWOD, which

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is basically I think the same footprint they had this

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year because this year it was that same weekend. So

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it doesn't seem like they're adding any dates to Halloween

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Horn Nights. They're just keeping it the same time in there.

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But the rest of the things that were interesting to

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me in this calendar is the events that are like

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made up that have to relate to So they have

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butter Beer Season, you know, back to Howarts, you know that,

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the pass member Park days, which they're treating like.

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Holidays. I don't know what do you think of this,

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Scott Oh, I think it makes total sense. I think

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the idea of you know, back to Hogwarts during the

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back to school time makes makes tons of sense. Butterbeer Season,

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you know, that's in the in the spring that's normally

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when most parks do like a beer fest. So instead

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of doing you know, like zoos will do you know,

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Breufari or bands ruined barbecue like we used to do

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it Bush, they're doing butter beer. It's to me, it's

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almost like they're they're doing a parody of what other

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parks do as seasonal events, which I think is really

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kind of clever. You know, instead of back to school,

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it's back to hogwarts. I think that's I think that's

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neat playing upon there as you say, playing upon their

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ips and the whole fan fest thing, you know, like

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I call it it's IP pop ups, which just makes

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total sense. And they'll get all kinds of data as

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to what are the most pop with their with their crowds,

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and and you know it will those parlay perhaps into

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permanent installations in the future or is it something that

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they want to at least pursue. Yeah, you know, I'm

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I'm you know me. I'm a huge fan of festivals.

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Create a festival. I've said it. I've said it a

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gazillion times. If you're not doing if you have a

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major park that's open year round and you're not doing

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at least four festivals, you're leaving money on the table.

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So in this they're doing significantly more than that. And they've,

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as you say, have kind of invented some holidays or

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invented festivals based solely on their IP. So I, like

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I said to me, it kind of it almost reads like, Okay, well,

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we're everybody else does a beer does a beer fest.

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What is something we can do that nobody else can do?

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Butter beer perfect? And instead of doing a back to

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school thing, let's do the school that we are most

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known for. Let's do back to Hogwarts. So yeah, it all,

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it all just kind of makes sense. It's not like

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they're completely random. It's just that their universal's take. They're

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they're taking great advice, and that is to create something

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that only your park can do and make it your

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own so that nobody else will compete with you. So yeah,

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I think it's a neat idea.

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There is an event on here that has not been

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announced at all. It's literally just called new Summer event.

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So that's quite the placeholder. I guess to just say

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new Summer event in here, and I.

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it most likely is they just don't have it quite

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buttoned up yet or since it is Universal, it could

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also be that there's still a negotiation for some sort

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of IP to be able to use that, some sort

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of IP that is not uncommon either, and certainly not

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with Universal, which is very IP heavy.

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So what do you think of the timing of Fan

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Fast Nights so April twenty fifth through May eighteenth. I

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think think it's good that it's more than one week.

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I mean, if you remember when Disney tried, you know,

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the after dark events like Pride Knights. You know, Pride

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Knights is still even this year Disney released their calendar

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and this year it's still only two nights, even though

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they sell out, but they've expanded, you know, a Sweetheart

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Knights and some of the other weird things. So on

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the one hand, I think it's good that Fan Fast

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Nights is starting with three weeks, and we don't know

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how many days in that three weeks, but it's fair

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to assume, or I would at least assume two nights

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a weeks, or I think we're thinking at least six

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nights or you know, five or six nights that they're

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offering this, which is I think a decent run for

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a new ticket event, but the timing of it makes it.

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I mean, that's still a shoulder season, right April twentieth eighteenth,

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it's right before yeah.

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Is it Is it a shoulder season or is it

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spring break that I don't know. I think it's close

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to spring break. I don't know. Of course, breaks are

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different county by county around the around the country, but

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it's right. I think it's right after spring breaks.

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The spring break for many schools in California is April

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fourteenth to twenty first, so it is the week after

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spring break up to almost before school let's out, so

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it's it's yeah.

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because if it's I was, I thought it was unusual

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if it was during spring break, because that would be

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that would be.

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Why do it then, because you already have people exactly exactly,

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so it must be, you know, however, a shoulder month

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essentially that they're still trying to fill for that, right.

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Yeah. This year, let's see first week of March into

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mid April and Florida, so so yeah, it's right after

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spring break. So maybe it's a way to extend their

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their spring break season, so it does become a shoulder season. Yeah,

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it's kind of cool. Yeah, right, Basically, I doubt that

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it's going to be every night. I doubt that it's

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gonna be every night because they're they're gonna need time

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to do changeovers because they're doing multiple ips throughout the

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course of that FanFest experience, which I think is kind

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of fun.

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So okay, well interesting, So I think we'll be on

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the lookout to see what the new summer event is

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and then I'm sure we'll get more details.

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So it's interesting.

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Fan Fest really is not that far away now we

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look at on the calendar April twenty fifth, it's already December,

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so but we don't have any details about anything besides

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just that the related ips, right, which we talked about before.

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So it'll be interesting when that's finally actually announced. Okay,

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So the next story is Bush at Busch Gardens, Tampa,

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and they're facing a multimillion dollar verdict in an injury

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case that happened during Hall a Scream in twenty twenty two.

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So a jury in Florida has ordered you know, United

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Parks to pay about five million dollars to the family

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of a twelve year old boy who was injured during

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Hallis Scream at Bush Gardens, Tampa in twenty twenty two.

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Hillsboro County jury decided last week that Busch Garden's owner, Parks,

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Is liable for just over five million dollars to compensate

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the twelve year old for injuries he sustained after falling

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off a trampoline in the park's Stanleyville Theater. So if

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you thought this was actually related to Hallis Scream, you

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were mistaken. So the doors of the theater had not

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been locked, allowing the boy to enter and access the

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acrobatic trampline on the stage, the lawsuit claimed. The lawsuit

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also claimed that the boy fell off of the trampoline

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onto a metal object, lacerating his right kidney among other injuries.

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The boy lost the use of the kidney, which is

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really bad. He'll need you know, he'll kidney treatmags for

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the rest of his life. So the jury also found

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the boy's family partially responsible for the incident, which limited

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United Parks liability to sixty five percent of what the

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jury determined were more than eight million in damages. I

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think this is interesting because you know, as a Robert

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Over at theme park insider pointed out, you know, it

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hardly ever gets this far in the theme park. You know,

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it usually settles and then we have NDA's and we

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don't hear anything about anything in this but this one

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to make it all the way through the jury, which

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means that the you know, a lot of the records

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are released, which is why we know what happened. I'm

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assuming it got that far because the park that they

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would win, because it is essentially, you know, a kid

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that's going into an area you're not supposed to be in,

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that's you know, cast only off limit area to get

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on a trampoline that's not in use, during an area

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that's not in use. You know, it's just that the lock,

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the door was unlocked. But I'm sure we don't have

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the of course the exact details, but I'm sure that

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what they were going to say is there's a due

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diligence that is required here, a due diligence to make

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sure that your you know, cast only areas are locked

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or guarded in some way.

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Scott.

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But you know what, Gott, you have worked with all

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of it, with these parks, so you you tell me

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what you think.

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Well, so what I want people to understand is it

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is stuff like this that makes it so that your

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theme park tickets are now skyrocketing in price. It is

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this kind of, in my opinion, stupidity that is really

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hurting the industry as a whole because what it does,

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you know, and don't misunderstand me. I feel sorry for

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the child. I am sorry that he will be either

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on dialysis or searching for a kidney the rest of

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his life. I think that's terrible. However, as you say,

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he was, he went into a building that was not

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in use. Actually it probably was in use. It was

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probably between shows because they did do that the Dark

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Circus in that in that space, but they went into

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he went into a space that was not in use,

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onto a stage because the trampoline wasn't just out in

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the house. Yeah, he went onto a stage which I

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will I would put dollars to donuts that had signs

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that said, do you know, please stay off the stage,

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do not enter the stage, blah blah blah blah blah

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blah blah, and then started playing with equipment that was

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clearly not for guest use. And and even if it was,

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you know, for performer use, it was between shows. So

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chances are good it wasn't properly set up. Yeah so,

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and and now it's gonna you know, cost the park

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a ton of money and and a lot of embarrassment

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in the news media. I can't I mean, I'm not

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a lawyer, so I can't talk about legal but but

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just logical logic, logic versus law, in logic versus law. There,

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this is ridiculous. This is just insane. What it does

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point out, however, to our listeners and people who are

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in the attractions industry, is you have to be prepared

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for the ridiculous. Apparently, you have to make certain that

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you know everything is chained locked, pad locked, double locked,

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alarmed to the point where you know even someone who

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aggressively tries to get because I mean, it's not like you,

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if you know the park, you wouldn't just happen happenstance.

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By happenstance, find yourself in a closed theater, and Stanleyville

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Theater only has two entrances for guests and then a

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backstage entrance. Now I don't know whether he went in

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the backstage entrance or not. And if that's the case,

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that means you have to now lock your backstage entrances,

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and then I have to ask, if you have to

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keep all these doors locked, then what happens if you

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have people working in there and there's a fire situation.

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You know, this is we are past the point of

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common sense here. In my opinion, it is it is

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not negligence on the part of the park. It is

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not negligence. It is stupidity on the part of the guest.

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And again I feel sorry for him. I feel very

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sorry that he made a really dumb mistake as a

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twelve year old and we'll have to deal with it

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the rest of his life because he got injured doing it.

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But to me, it's sort of like it's sort of

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like suing a bicycle manufacturer because their kid fell and

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hurt themselves, even though there was no malfunction on the bicycle.

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It was just that the child wrote. You know, the

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bicycle manufacturer should have taken into consideration that a child

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will ride a bike down a hill that's too steep

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with gravel at the bottom. You know, I mean, to me,

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it is past the point of being being realistic or

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being logical. And what it's going to do is lawsuits

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like this. You know, everybody's like, oh, the poor guest,

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the poor guest, the poor guest. But what they don't

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really take into consideration is how it's going to negatively

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impact thousands, if not millions of guests going forward across

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the industry because everyone now is going to have to,

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you know, put in these extra Well, first of all,

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they're going to raise their ticket price so that they

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can pay for the insurance to cover this kind of thing.

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Number one. Number two, they're going to put in, you know,

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all of these restrictions after restrictions, after restrictions, So for example,

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you won't be able to access the stage from the house,

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which means that you won't be able to have anybody

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come out into the house during a show, which is

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every five year old's favorite part of any show at

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any theme park is when the characters come out and

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mess with them. But you're not gonna be able to

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do that anymore, because you're not going to be able

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to be liable for twenty four hours a day. Whether

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that space is accessible to a stupid twelve year old, sorry,

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a twelve year old, he's probably a very intelligent young person,

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but to a twelve year old who wants to go

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in and illegally, in my opinion, jump on a trampoline. Yeah,

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so where does the responsibility to me? This responsibility is

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past the point of logic. Now again, not a lawyer,

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so I but it's just I find it very frustrating.

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I find it very frustrating because it ends up hurting

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the industry as a whole. And I will tell you

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right now, in most in most organizations, now I'm I'm

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I have no idea whether United Parks is going to

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do United Parks and Resources It's going to do this

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or not. But in some cases, some some parks will say, hey,

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this theater, just having this theater, just having a circus show,

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just having a trampoline is too much of a liability.

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Let's tear it down and put up a ride so

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that they can't sue us. They have to do the

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ride manufacturer. Yeah.

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Yeah, see that that kind of stuff is a little

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bit more. What I'm worried about is like, well, well,

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I don't know, maybe it's incorrect, but I do. I

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do feel like live entertainment always seems to be the

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thing that is very at risk, you know, because it's

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like when when sales go up and down, it's a

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thing that you can cut, you know, because the ride

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is an investment or it's it's a capital plan, right,

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so it's a little bit harder to you know, move

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the move the budget out at the wind changes direction, right,

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but you can, you know, you can scale up shows,

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you can scale down shows. And then I can just

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hear it now where they're like, well now we're going

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to need extra security and in this area, we're going

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to need to do this and do that, and it's

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you know, it's not worth having this, and you can

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just you just hear the you just hear it, you

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know it. It's not the same. But remember later earlier

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this year when the that.

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The young man got naked on.

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It's a small world in Disneyland, and uh, you know

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sat in the ride, you know. And it also strikes

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me that we don't always design rides.

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For bad intention. I guess you know on that part, right,

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you know.

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It's like it's like what degree do you design experiences

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as a whole for the worst possible thing a guess

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to do. And it's kind of like you're like you're

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saying you're punishing the entire everyone for something that you.

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Know is reasonable expectations outside of reasonable.

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Yeah, Like, you know, you wouldn't ever think, well, this

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someone's gonna get naked on this ride and then while

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it's moving through water, jump off of it and get on.

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That's like, you know, but now that they have permanent

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cast members that are stationed at points now in guest view,

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you know, whereas previously they just use cameras, right, but

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now they have a new cast member that is stationed

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kind of in guests you to kind of, I guess,

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just be a deterrence. Essentially, they're just sitting there, you know,

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just staring at you, which isn't any different than the camera,

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but it I think it's a more deterrent for the guests.

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So that also could be a thing. Maybe they're gonna

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have to staff to make sure that there's a staff

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member at all times, you know.

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In the theater, raising the price, raising the price, which

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means it's either yeah, which means it either becomes too

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much of a of a a labor draw on their

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budget so they close it, or they keep it but

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keep raising up the ticket price. You know, I am,

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like I've said for years, I am shocked and amazed

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that we haven't gotten to the point of ridiculousness where

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small world has a shoulder harness, you know, where you

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can't get up and get out. You know, it's I

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just I it boggles my mind that we that this

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is an issue. That's the thing. It boggles my mind

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that this is an issue. But again, I'm I realize,

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I'm I'm from an era where the biggest responsibility for

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children fell to their parents, the biggest responsibility or their

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or their caregivers. Not just parents, but their caregivers. And

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if they if they made a stupid choice, then it

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was their responsibility, not the responsibility of everybody else. And

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I know that makes me sound really old fashioned and

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really almost callous, but I can't say it enough. I

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feel sorry for this child. I wish he had not

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done it. I wish he had made better choices as

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a twelve year old. I wish he had been raised

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to make better choices as a twelve year old. And

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it's easy for me to point at the parents. I

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know that that's what everybody's gonna say. Oh, well, it's

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easy for you to say you don't have any kids,

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and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. You're right,

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I don't. But I also know that when I was

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twelve years old, I would have loved to have gone

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in and jumped on a trampoline in a dark theater.

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But guess who didn't do it? Me when I was twelve,

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you know, because I was because I was taught that

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that was not something you do. Well, Scott, I'm wondering.

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Obviously you have intimate experience working in these parks. Is

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for the operation and all, I mean, so many stories

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for our listeners that are worried about this. You know

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what you think that like our listeners could do if

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they're at a smaller attraction or a different attraction, is

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this something they need to prepare for, you know, like

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kind of have something in their back pocket or because

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it's it's not you know, if they're not with I

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don't know what do you think?

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I think? Where?

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Where do you think the ripples will be for parks

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that are not this park? You know, like for for

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all the other listeners.

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Well, I mean, obviously, if a jury is going to

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find that a closed theater, that the equipment on a

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stage which is not a public area in a closed theater,

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that a child was able to get into somehow is

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enough to uh make the park libel for sixty five

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percent of the medical costs. Unfortunately, you're stuck between a

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rock and a hard place. Yes, you're going to have to,

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you know, increase your security. You're going to have to

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lock down everything when not in use, You're going to

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have to you know, put you know. Everybody says, well,

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we'll just put gates up. Okay, Well, then the child

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climbs over the gate and they still it's still the

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park's responsibility because they didn't do their due diligence. You know, what,

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what do we do then? Do we put razor wire

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on the gates? Well, then the child injures themselves because

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they got caught on the razor wire to prevent them

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from getting on the stage from hurting themselves. So what

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is you know, where does this stop? Where does this stop?

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I think is my biggest issue. And you know, in

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the short term, Yes, the takeaway I would say is

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if you know, if you have kids, if you have

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you know, anywhere from five to twelve year olds, and

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let's face it, you know, with with content creators, ten

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to ten to eighteen year olds love to get into

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places they're not supposed to be, so that they can

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create content that gets them, you know, more, more likes,

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more clicks, more followers, and it is not uncommon. You know,

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there's there's several several videos that we've seen of areas

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of Disney parks that have been closed for years that

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somebody found their way onto, you know, they found their

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way onto Discovery Island, you know, one of the old

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uh one of the old water parks or whatever, and

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and took photos and video and blah blah blah blah

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blah blah blah. They weren't injured, but if they had been,

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apparently they could have sued the parks for not for

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making it possible for them to in essence, sneak into

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a closed section and get into it. Just oh sorry,

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I just keep saying the same thing over and over

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again because it's frustrating. Yeah.

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Well, well, I mean I knew you would have a

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strong opinion having worked in these you know parks, right,

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but I think you know, I agree with you on

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all these points. I guess I'm just wondering for our

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listeners what we do about it.

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Invite your invite your friends' kids in, you know, if

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there's something that that you don't if there's something that

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could be potentially dangerous. Invite your kids, friends in, your

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friend's kids in and tell them, can you see if

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you can get up on the stage, figure out how

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they do it? And then yeah, something absolutely ridiculous that's

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going to impact the artistic integrity of the of the show.

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But we'll save you five million dollars apparently.

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Well, I guess I would recommend that everyone be prepared

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to have this conversation if it comes up, and then

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just you know, it's not gonna I'm you know, usually

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this is a legal conversation, right, Like, this is a

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conversation legal like legal is gonna have with the top leadership.

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But I would strongly suggest maybe that the operations and

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entertainment team try and get into that meeting. You know,

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we talked about this, you know before, Like you know.

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They're already in those meetings. They're already in those meetings.

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I when I've every time I've worked in a park,

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either in the park as an employee of the park

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or as a contractor for the park, those kinds of

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safety meetings, entertainment's always involved in them. Always. This is

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something that I think is in my opinion and as

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I think you said it at the very beginning. Part

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of the reason that this went all the way to

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trial is because I am certain. Well, I can't say

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I'm certain. I would I would wager based on my

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experience in theme park in general, and not just with

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Bush Gardens, because this had you know, this is long

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after I was gone, but I was. I am certain

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that the whole reason it went, if it went this far,

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is because safety was saying, this is one hundred percent defendable,

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this is one hundred percent justifiable. We did our due diligence.

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There were signs the door was closed, it was clearly

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not open for guests, you know, and and the courts

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found it a different way. So yes, get your get

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your legal termin your legal group involved. But I can

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promise you that there was a discussion early on that said,

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you know, this is this is justifiable. We used to

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I used to have these discussions and still do with

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any Halloween experience that I put in. You know, how

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dangerous can we make dangerous in quotes? How you know,

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how how edgy can we get and and what goes

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past the line of what can be defendable in court

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if someone does something stupid And because the intent. You know, everybody,

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everybody loves to think that the intent of a theme

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park is to hurt people. Well, that is absolutely ridiculous.

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So yeah, this is this is this is almost as

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as ludicrous. Let me put it outside the realm of entertainment,

471
00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:32.559
this is almost as ludicrous as a child got into

472
00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:37.000
one of the offices behind the scenes at the building

473
00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:39.160
and at Bush Gardens. That's not difficult to do. You

474
00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:41.480
can get into human resources if you want to get it.

475
00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:44.400
Got into the human resources office, found someone's door who

476
00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:49.599
was open to their office, took a letter opener out

477
00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:52.279
and started to like, you know, play that game where

478
00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:54.400
you do the letter over the knife really fast around

479
00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:55.720
your hands and stab them in the back of the hand,

480
00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:59.599
and then sued the park. Yeah, it's taking tools that

481
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:01.880
are not in the guest area, using them in a

482
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:04.400
way that should not be used, and then holding the

483
00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:12.279
park responsible. Yeah. Okay, well I don't have anything to add. Yeah,

484
00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:14.920
I mean, I guess my point is figure out, you know,

485
00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:17.039
as far as takeaways, go, figure out what you can defend,

486
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:19.880
figure out what you feel you can defend, and then

487
00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:22.240
add another layer on top of it. Yeah, and just

488
00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:26.039
apparently the court, Yeah, apparently the courts are not are

489
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:28.720
not on our side. Now, having gone through this whole rant,

490
00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:32.200
I will, I do have to say, just out of responsibility.

491
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:34.319
I do not have all of the details of the

492
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:38.599
court case. I do not have all of the the minutia.

493
00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:40.960
But based on what I've read and based on what

494
00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:46.039
is presented here, my opinion stands. If there is an

495
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:48.319
element that I am not aware of, I may change.

496
00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:50.359
I would I may change. I may change my opinion

497
00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:53.759
in the future, but at this point I am. I

498
00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:59.640
am so frustrated by guests and especially young guests who

499
00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:03.359
are who want to make it so that it's going

500
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:05.519
to be difficult for anybody to enjoy a theme park.

501
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:08.279
Yeah, yeah, well it goes back to what we're talking about,

502
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:11.720
where you know, you just have to well, I guess

503
00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:14.039
it's a little bit just you know, just people being

504
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:14.559
able to.

505
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:18.200
Play together.

506
00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:21.440
You know, it's something I think that we're losing that

507
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:23.920
kind of ability, you know, just with less commonplaces in

508
00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:26.920
America and less you know, you're you're just people are

509
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.119
less used to other people, they're used they're less used

510
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:33.599
to being around communal areas, in communal areas, and just

511
00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:35.880
unsure how to behave in these situations.

512
00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:39.039
I guess the mass sense of entitlement that I mean

513
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:41.359
this is this is clearly a twelve year old who

514
00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:42.960
felt entitled that they go in and play on a

515
00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:45.920
trampoline in a closed area on a stage that was

516
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:48.880
marked do not be on the stage. Yeah.

517
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:52.559
Okay, well let's uh, we have we have, we have

518
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:56.519
a few minutes left. But we would be remiss if

519
00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:01.200
we did not mention that Disneyland really least it's seventieth

520
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:10.599
anniversary details and let's see, I was gonna say I

521
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:12.279
wasn't that excited, but you know, I don't know. I mean,

522
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:15.559
if there are some things I'm excited about, but again.

523
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:19.960
It's seventieth Philip. Yeah. Disney's notorious for they will. They

524
00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:22.400
will often. I used to joke they they once did

525
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:24.839
an event because Donald got pants. I mean, you know

526
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:31.079
it's yeah, so it's not really a milestone. It's important,

527
00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:33.000
but you know, it's a way to celebrate to a

528
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:33.599
certain extent.

529
00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:36.839
Yeah, I think that's that's really what it is. The

530
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:38.920
most interesting elements that are going to be part of

531
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:42.000
this is the Walt Disney A Magical Life, which is

532
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:44.680
a new presentation inside the Main Street Opera House and

533
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:47.880
it has the first audio animatronic figure of Walt, which

534
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:50.799
I'm really excited. I think the concept art for that.

535
00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:53.880
We've known about this for a while, but we kind

536
00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:56.519
of didn't exactly have the opening date for that, and

537
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:59.920
now we have. It's aligned for the seventieth anniversary, and

538
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:04.200
I think that's really exciting it. I mean, if it's

539
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:06.519
the quality that we see in the renderings, this is

540
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:09.720
going to be really cool to especially at Disneyland, to

541
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:13.119
be able to have I mean, definitely it's gonna make

542
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:15.319
those rumors about the you know, cryo freezing and probably

543
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:16.559
come back, but you know it's.

544
00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:16.880
Gonna be.

545
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.440
It'll be, uh, it'll be interesting. And then of course

546
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:25.880
there's they're announcing the return of other items, so like

547
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:29.400
we're Paint the Knight's coming back, Wondrous is coming back,

548
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.240
which is great. I mean, people really enjoyed Wondrous. The

549
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:37.880
ratings for Wondrous are higher than the the shows that

550
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:40.000
replaced it, and Paint the Knight has been out of

551
00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:43.759
commission since the pandemic and it was a phenomenal evening show,

552
00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:48.200
So you know, I'm excited for those elements of it,

553
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:53.200
and overall just more entertainment in that fashion to be

554
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:53.920
coming back.

555
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:56.799
To the parts. Yeah, I think I think the the

556
00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:00.839
Walt audio animatronic is going to be exciting. There have

557
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.200
been rumors that it was it's kind of going against

558
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:07.759
what he actually really wanted. But again, I didn't know Walt,

559
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.880
so I can't make a comment on that. But I

560
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:14.720
jokingly said when I first saw it, I was like, oh, good,

561
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:17.000
somewhere for senior citizens to go sit in air conditioning,

562
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:20.200
because because it ain't gonna it ain't gonna play with

563
00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:23.640
the kids, they couldn't care less. But those of us

564
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:27.640
who were kids and and saw you know, Walt sign

565
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:30.079
off on the wonderful world at Disney every every week,

566
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:32.559
it'll be a lovely It'll be a lovely bit of

567
00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:34.839
nostalgia for us, and hopefully we can share that with

568
00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:39.519
a younger generation. Gosh, I would come up with some

569
00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:41.200
clever way to end the show, but I can't. So

570
00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:45.839
we're done that, our time is up. And and I

571
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:48.359
took up so much of the show about ranting about

572
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:50.799
you know, people who shouldn't be where they shouldn't be,

573
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:53.759
So I will I will stop that and apologize. I

574
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:56.440
promise I won't get on those kinds of rants on

575
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:59.880
the next show. But we just really appreciate you paying

576
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:02.799
attention to us and listening to us, and hopefully we've

577
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:06.119
made you think a little bit, and equally as importantly,

578
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:11.200
hopefully you will join us for green Tagged Unhinged, which

579
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:15.119
is our Patreon show which we'll be shooting, which we

580
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:17.440
will be recording right after this, and boy do we

581
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:19.799
have things to talk about. So anyway, we will see

582
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:21.960
you next week. Thank you very much. This is green

583
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