Aug. 21, 2026

Six Flags Bets the Fall on 448 Halloween Experiences

Six Flags Bets the Fall on 448 Halloween Experiences
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Six Flags Halloween Las Vegas

Key Takeaways

  • Six Flags announced its largest Halloween lineup ever with 448 experiences, leaning heavily on the Seasons of Fun model to drive season pass sales.
  • The Halloween offerings feature a strategic mix of free entertainment and atmosphere alongside upcharge haunted mazes like Jason: Blood Reign and Final Destination: Death's Playground.
  • Flexible ticketing options—ranging from single-night maze passes to all-season add-ons—allow parks to tailor pricing to guest behavior during an ongoing corporate transition.
  • Revitalizing park atmosphere and entertainment helps recapture the hangout vibe that appeals to families, tweens, and teens alike, maximizing overall park revenue.

Six Flags announced its largest Halloween lineup ever: 448 experiences across the chain, including 11 new haunted mazes, 196 scare zones, and live entertainment offerings. Four new licensed franchises headline the year, with Jason: Blood Reign, Final Destination: Death's Playground, Blair Witch: No Signal, and Diablo: The Infernal Path each landing at multiple parks alongside returning brands like The Conjuring, Saw, and Trick 'r Treat. The timing is the strategy: the announcement dropped three weeks before the September 7 deadline on the lowest season pass prices of the year.

This is the earnings-call playbook made concrete. Scare zones and entertainment come included with admission, haunts are the flexible upcharge with single-night and all-season options, and nearly half the total lineup is live entertainment. The legacy Seasons of Fun model is back: atmosphere gives the whole family a reason to come, while haunted houses have become the roller coasters of the Halloween season, a checklist for some guests and scenery for everyone else. Maze passes run $10 to $15 a night at legacy parks and $25 to $35 at Six Flags parks with no visible consistency, and the best explanation is pricing fitted park by park to guest behavior during a transition that is far from over.
Meanwhile, D23 was a fan-forward show, hosted by Neil Patrick Harris while executives walked the floor. Nearly everything announced was already known, with a Spaceship Earth renovation, a Yeti fix, and a Tomorrowland reimagining added without dates or dollars. In a tariff environment where nobody can price a ride ten years out, keeping the numbers off the stage is the safe play.

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Frequently Asked Questions

What is the Six Flags Halloween strategy for the fall season?

Six Flags is rolling out its largest Halloween lineup ever with 448 experiences across the chain, using a mix of included atmosphere and entertainment alongside flexible upcharge haunted houses to incentivize season pass sales.

Are haunted houses included with a Six Flags season pass?

General park admission and seasonal entertainment are typically included with a season pass, but haunted houses and special immersive experiences like The Conjuring Beyond Fear require an additional single-night or all-season upcharge pass.

What new licensed franchises are featured in the Six Flags Halloween lineup?

The 2024 lineup features four new licensed franchises—Jason: Blood Reign, Final Destination: Death's Playground, Blair Witch: No Signal, and Diablo: The Infernal Path—alongside returning favorites like The Conjuring, Saw, and Trick 'r Treat.

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Well, hello there from our studios in Los Angeles and Tampa.

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This is Green Tagged Theme Park and thirty. I'm Philip

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from Gantum Lighting Controls that I'm joined as always be

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my delightful co host Scott Swinson of Scott Swinson Creative Development.

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Here on Green Tad, we look at the top news

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each week and we pick the stories that we think

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matter most to industry professionals and discuss them on the show.

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And this week we're actually going to start with six Flags.

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Hello and welcome to six Flags Sleeve parkin thirty. Yeah,

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he six Flags. There's a reason. There's a good reason

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for this.

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There's a good reason it. We're gonna start with six says,

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and then we'll try and get to some D twenty

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three stuff. But the thing is, I'm sure all of

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you have already been inundated with all the D twenty

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three stuff. You know, it's it's everywhere. How can it

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not be right?

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But six Flags, so think of this, think of this

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as sort of a palate cleanser for your D twenty

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three feast that you've been having NonStop since it happened.

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Yes, we'll touch on it, but not too much because

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I'm sure you've already seen it. I think it's a

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little bit more interesting to start with the six Flags announcements.

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They put a big press release out on August seventeenth

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about their Halloween rollout across all the parks, and I

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think this is the big bet, right. They talked about

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this on the earnings call as being their big investment

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into seasonal and this is sort of the crux of

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their whole strategy that at least according to management, they've

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been laying out, which is they're trying to incentivize passholder

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sales and they are trying to get people to come

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back to the park multiple times. In order to do that,

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you have to have entertainment, and you have to have

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food and seasonal elements, and so it's the whole playbook,

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the whole season's the fun playbook, basically, you know they're

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trying to bring back. So what was interesting is how

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these launched in parallel. We talked last time about the

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season pass structures that launched and the prices, and now

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this came in and all the Halloween announcements are out

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now several weeks before the pass holder sale goes off.

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So this pass holder sales until September seventh, so kind

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of gives people a little bit of folmo. Right, here's

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all these park announcements, everything we're doing for folloween, and

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you have about three weeks to lock in your the

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best prices of the year to come visit it.

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And I think.

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I'll read through some of these, but just to give

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you the structure, they put out a big press release

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and they talked about you know, they have different names

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for the events. Are not all called fried Fest. Some

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of the names have kept their legacy names, like not

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Scary Farm, but they're all trying to roll it into

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Halloween at six Flags as a big bundle. And for

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the most part, except for Knots, for the most part,

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if you have an annual pass, it does get you

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access to all the entertainment. It's just the haunted houses

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that you pay more for. And then if you are

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at one of the parks that has the conjuring Beyond Fear,

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which is the sort of hybrid escape room slash haunt

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twenty minute experience, then you pay extra on top of that,

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even if you have han a house pass. So that's

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the basic structure, and what was interesting to me in

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the press release is how they're kind of trying to

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hone in on the messages we've been hearing Riley talk about.

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So he talked about how they have pass options to

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make flexible access to the scares, which he's talked a

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lot about that about the whole idea of a dim

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sum kind of approach. Choose the pass you need, choose

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the meal plan or the drink plan or the fast

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lane or whatever, and now it's the same thing. There's

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a single night haunt pass, there's an all season a

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Trastion's pass, which is interesting, and then there's of course

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the express passes.

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So you could see.

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Where it could be you just show up one night

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to do the haunts and maybe stay all day and

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have a fun thing. Or if you're a passolder that

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has access already, you can buy a pass for all

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the haunts and you could go every freight Fest night

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and see all the haunts and maybe then visit a

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neighboring park and buy a single night pass to that.

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So beyond that, he talked about it being a complete

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Halloween experience and really played up the entertain including a

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new scare zone coming to succize over Texas that they're

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calling a premium scare zone experience that blends immersive horror,

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live entertainment and themed offerings. So that's interesting. And then

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they had a whole section about family friendly fun by

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Day and talked about all of the genres of fun.

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I made a big chart looking at the prices. But

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first before we get into my charts, Scott, what do

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Well, it's funny because this sounds very very much like

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port Aventura. Oh yeah, just outside of Barcelona when they

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do their Halloween event. It is it's basically their Halloween

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event is basically a mix in, but the haunts are

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all You buy a Haunt pass, so it's a mix in.

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But if you want to do the haunts, then you

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have a separate in essence, a separate ticket. But they

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have a huge parade, they have a lot of decor,

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they have a huge fireworks and ah jet ski show

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that takes place every night. That is all included with

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the price of admission. It's just the haunted houses that

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are the the up charge. So it sounds very similar.

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Sounds very similar in approach to that giving people the

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option to yes, I want to be in a haunted

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house or no, I don't. I will say one of

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the challenges that I saw when we were at Port

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Aventura is that the the haunted houses, after you've been

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through the first one, they were not the highest of quality.

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So it was sort of like, boy, I wish I

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hadn't bought all these at once, but but there's such

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a great savings that you do. So I'm hoping that

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Flags the Flags Parks can can make sure make certain

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that it's worth the investment. I think that's important. And

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I also think, you know, as you're reading this, I'm like, God,

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is it five years ago, and then three years ago,

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and then now where people are you know, companies are saying, gosh,

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Halloween is Halloween is our is our savior.

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It's going to be our make or break.

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And I've heard it on the park level, I've heard

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it on the on the now, on the corporate level.

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You know, obviously, not scary farm has nothing to worry about,

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but you know, when you've got things like scare winds

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and and uh freight fests and and that sort of thing.

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See I went I went to the very first fright

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Fest at six Flags Great America many many years ago,

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and it was just much more of a entertainment atmosphere.

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They had one Haunted House at that time and it

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was solely an up charge, but they had a they

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had a great stage show, they had a parade, they

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had and it sounds like, you know, everything old is

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new again. This sounds very, very familiar, and it's kind

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of going. You know, everybody's like, well, why aren't they

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why are why are they ignoring the legacy? But what

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they're really doing is they're going back to the legacy.

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They're going back to the way things used to be

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and were successful. I think when they tried to make

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things too well, it just sounds like this is the

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way it's going to work. The other thing that I

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think is interesting is I will say that this elevated

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or premier scare zone that they're talking about, this is

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a concept that they've been talking about for many, many years.

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And I know that for a fact because I worked

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on a couple of them. Preliminarily, nothing I did is

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going to be seen. It's you know, it was all

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kind of a blue sky thing. But that's coming from

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the Cedar fair.

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Side, right.

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So that's interesting because I think I can talk about this.

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I interviewed the direct I don't know whether I could

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talk about that or not, but I just did, so well, yeah,

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I don't know either. So I interviewed the director of

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entertainment for six Flags about Halloween and it was under embargo,

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so I don't think it's released yet. We did I'm

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doing an article that isn't released yet. But she mentioned

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this scare zone. That was not what the interview was about,

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but she mentioned the scare zone and being exactly what

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you're talking about, where they're really excited about this new

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concept coming to Texas, whatever it is and however it's

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gonna be, is what they're excited about this. And to me,

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it's more like what you're saying. It's more like they're

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trying to get back to the same tra It's just

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funny because we've talked about this trend. I've talked about

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this trend Agnausium where you get back into the idea

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of you have atmosphere that makes it like a hangout,

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party thing, and that is what makes people want to

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come back because then they bring their friends and they

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come back and they hang out and then you can

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do the haunts. But it's always just like we talked

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about with the IP and we talked about with Hong

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Kong and Ocean Park, where it's always a balance because

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to your point, if it's too much atmosphere then and

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the up charge haunts are not or too low quality,

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then no one's going to buy them because they're too

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low quality. So it's but then on the flip side,

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if the park atmosphere is not good enough, you're not

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going to want to come back, because, like you said,

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it's that checklist mentality. It's like it's like Haunted House

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have become the roller coasters of the Halloween season, basically, right, and.

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Some people some people ride roller coasters and some people

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just like to look at them and know that they

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were there.

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So, yeah, you're absolutely right, Philip.

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I think that's I think it's a really good analogy there.

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It's it's gone back to the.

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Point where you know, we kept we kept in the

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HONT industry, We kept the theme park hont industry. We

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kept trying to go bigger, scarier, worse, more intense, more

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and more terrifying, more blah blah blah blah. And you

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can only get so far. You can only go so far,

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and then the pendulum is going to swing back and

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it's it's also I saw a very interesting article in

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an adjacent realm, and that is why shopping malls have

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kind of gone by the wayside. And it's not because

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it's not because people aren't shopping, and it's not Amazon

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even that has completely destroyed it. It's the fact that

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shopping malls became very generic. They stopped being they stopped

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having a vibe, they stopped having Uh. When you went

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into the mall, you you went there to have a

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good time and maybe shop, maybe by maybe go see

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a movie, maybe to hang out with your friends, you know,

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because they were designed in such a way that they

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were interesting to look at and they were clever, and

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each store looked different. But that all went away because

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people kept getting more They kept thinking, well, we don't

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really need to have this amazing light show where we

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don't need to have this great, big fountain display in

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the middle of our We could take that square footage

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that has the giant fountain in it and we can

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make it kiosks that will try to sell people things

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they don't want.

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So and that was actually the according to this article.

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And I don't think it's a bad I don't think

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it was a bad article or a bad video. That's

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what happened. It was the vibe that went away. We

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talked about the vibe in theme parks too, that it

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went away, and I think that now this is another

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example of creating a strong vibe in the parks so

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that it's fun to be there. And yes, if you

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want to add on the Haunted House, great, but it's

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just fun to be there. And so I think that

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this sounds like a smart approach, especially considering that more

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and more our of the focus in the theme park

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realm is going back to things that families can do together.

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So if they can go to the parks together, then

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the tweens and teens can go to the haunts, and

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the nine and ten year olds can can see the shows,

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watch the parades, have a good time outside of the haunts.

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So it's it all seems to make total sense. But

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it is the same old record playing once again, and

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that is that Halloween is gonna save.

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Us, right, Helen's gonna save us as long as you're

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making it interesting to be there, right, It's not just

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gonna do on its own. I think that's something we've

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been talking about over and over, and your family point

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is interesting. Like I mentioned, there was a whole press

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release section about it, because during the day it's obviously

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good for families, but you really can see this maturing

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into a nice cohes of strategy from Riley and the

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new team there where, and you can see it. This

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is what I love to see. I love to see

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press releases that echo stuff that he's talked about and

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that give you concrete evidence. Right, It's like, you can

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customize these scares. And here's why, because we're offering two

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or three different pass options, and also family because we

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have all this stuff during the day. And also it's

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more than just haunted houses, because here's all this entertainment

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and that's pretty solid and to your family point, you

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can see reality where a family goes to spend the

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day and sees the family family stuff, and then the

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parents have dinner or chill and they let the older

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kids go do the hunt houses when they open, and

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they just buy them passes and they can go do them.

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And you know, assuming you've accounted for the chaperone and

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whatever all that kind of stuff. Maybe dad takes the

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kids if they have to keep the chaperone with them, whatever.

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But like you can see where they're building it so

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that it works for a family, but it also could

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work for people that just want to go at night.

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And to your point, if you have a pass already

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and it's just you hang out with your friends, and

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it's more reason to go because it's spooky like shows

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and spooky entertainment, and you don't have to add a pass,

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or you just buy a pass for one night. So

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it is I think the flexibility is huge, But.

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I like it because it's clearly identifying what a family is.

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Now that's the thing that I think is most important

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for I just to In fact, I just had this

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conversation with Todd Zimmerman from Oddity's Entertainment in Orlando. We

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are so sick and tired of part of our conversation.

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We're so not sick and tired. We're frustrated by the

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fact that people who run parks think that family entertainment

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is only for families who include toddlers and nobody else. Yeah,

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families are a very broad age demographic and have very

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specific needs in every niche of that demographic. So if

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you can create an event like this that has something

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not necessarily this doesn't necessarily have for the toddlers, except

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of course during the day, so they come that little

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kids have during the day, they go to dinner. As

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Phillips said, you know, Phillips played out the whole night.

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It makes it so that it's something families can do

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as a family and not just oh well, let's send

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you know, I don't I don't want to go to

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fright Fest because it's always just a bunch of screaming kids.

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You guys go and go to your haunted houses. But

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now that they've got shows and atmosphere and stream it's

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it's making it so that it's something that families can

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do as a unit, which not only is wise from

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continuing to build loyalty to the brand, but it's also

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wise from a financial background. I mean, you, instead of

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sending the two teens to go off to fright Fest,

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you have mom, dad, the nine year old and the

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two teens. Well, you've more than doubled your ticket revenue.

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So right.

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By and by allowing the different levels in the different areas,

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everybody can get something out of it.

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What do you think about the uh So, we've gotten

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some comments in the last several episodes by I tried

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to apply to a few of them as I can,

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but one I thought was interesting, What I'm sure a

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lot of people were thinking, is a comment about the pricing, right,

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And this is from g Rappo, who comments a lot

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on some does a lot of great comments on our shows.

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But basically his point is, people you attacked by cheap

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pricing do not spend much in park, but will use

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the cheap add ons at a high rate. And this

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is what they did, what six Flags did for like

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for decades, and it's a self created problem which they

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could solve by universal pricing. Is kind of what he's

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positing here. What do you think about that in context

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of this where it sort of sounds like I think

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his point is like this pricing, this cheap, cheap, cheap

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stuff used to work for six Flags. It never really

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was a Cedar fair thing, but now it's all mixed,

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and especially because this whole strategy is a Cedar fair strategy,

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so it's sort of like, you know, they're they're they're

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bringing a seedar fare strategy, but they're trying to put

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on or they haven't let go of the six Flags pricing.

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Well, first, first of all, I don't think we can

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don't think we can throw out the fact that we

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are still in a transition phase, so you know, we

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are still in We can't just all of a sudden

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without losing a huge ton of revenue because it'll just

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turn people away. We can't just say we're going to

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now run everything like we did Cedar Fair, because then

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the Six Flags people will all just magically disappear, or

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a number of them will. So I think we have

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to recognize that it is going to be a little convoluted.

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There is going to be a little bit of a

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jumble here. I think that you're I think that is logic,

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is sound in the fact that you know, the lower

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the lower price, the lower price tickets are more likely

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to nickel and dime up. I think that is true.

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But I also think that we've got to be careful

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of just all of a sudden alienating the former six

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Flags audience by by shifting to just a higher price

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across the board. Eventually we'll get there, but if you

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do it slowly enough, the guests will never know and

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you won't lose anybody. And at this point in their history,

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Six Flags as it stands now can't afford to lose guests.

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They can't afford to lose anything. They've still got big

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debt that we've talked about multiple times. So they've got

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to continue to build that brand loyalty so that they

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will have the longevity to overcome the death that they have.

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So I think pricing is important, but I think it's

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a much smaller part of their challenge. I think they

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have to be smart. I think they have to be efficient.

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I also believe that the people who get in for

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less are more likely to buy food merchandise while they're there.

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At least that's the way it's always been in the

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parks that I worked in. And you have to find again,

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find that key balance between how many tickets we're selling,

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how many passes we have, how many and because of

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the transition, because we're taking two legacy operating mentalities and

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smashing them together, you kind of have to pick and choose.

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And yeah, it's going to be a little messy. It's

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going to be a little messy during the transition. And yes,

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it is still the transition. I know everybody's like, oh no,

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that's old news, Scott, They're all homogenized.

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But that's not the case.

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It's old news to us. But I think the people

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that go these parks are probably still unaware, like a

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lot of the casual fans still have no idea, especially

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if the name didn't change.

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I don't know.

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I still talk to people regular people that do not

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know that Knots and six and Magic Mountain are the

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same company, because they were freaking out that about the

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new maze that was designed at Magic Mountain by one

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of the Knots people, and it's like they're the same company, guy,

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that's why, and they're like, what, like, oh my god.

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Yeah, So it's going to take a little time.

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So I think that the comment is valid, but I

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also think that it's not quite as quick a fix

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or as easy a fix as it could be, or

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as we would like it to be. So we just

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have to take into consideration that we are still at

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a transition phase.

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Yeah, it'll get there.

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I wanted to add also to this. I had nothing

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else to add to that exact point, but changing points

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here a little bit in terms of bringing people into

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the park and just sort of the appeal of this.

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They have expanded their IPS, so they're pretty much leaning

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quite heavily for the haunted houses, at least into the

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IP section. They of course they pull these numbers out,

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four hundred and forty eight Halloween experiences chain wide, and

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one hundred and ninety six of them are scar zones

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and live entertainment offerings, so you can kind of see

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where they really are trying to put a lot into

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live entertainment if almost half of the stuff they're offering

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is live entertainment, which is interesting. But in terms of IP,

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the four new ones that he referenced on the Earnings

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call Jason, Blood Rain, Final Destination, Blair Witch, and Diablo.

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Those are the four new ones, and they're being deployed

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at different places, so every IP gets at least two parks,

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but they're in all different regions. And then they're the

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conjuring is returning both for the Beyond Fear experience which

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you talked about and the Universe experience, which is a

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haunted house, plus saw the Stranger's Trick or Treat and

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Army of the Dead.

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So there you go.

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And then I made a chart. You can go on

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my website and see it, but I put all the

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prices together basically so I could understand it. And the

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thing that was most interesting to me just kind of

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the last thing here before we move on is like

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if you look at the maze pass per night, the

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Legacy Parks, the Cedar Point, Carowin's, King's Island, Kings, Dominion Dorney,

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they're all ten to fifteen dollars. It's like very affordable,

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Like you just pay an extra ten dollars and you

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can do all the mazes and a night, and that's great.

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But when you get into any of the Six Flags

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one they jump to thirty five, So twenty five and

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thirty five, so it's a big jump, almost twice the

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amount jumping over to the Six Flags parks. And then

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some of them offer all season Mays passes. They not

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all of them do, or some of them I couldn't

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get prices for, but I think the all season passes

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are not that expensive. They tend to be twice or

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less than twice the price for one night, so it's like,

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if you're going to go two nights, it probably makes

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it worth it. So the math is pretty similar I

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think to their pass holder math, where it's like if

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you're going to go two days, it's sort of in

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that range anyway. But what do you think about the

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Legacy Cedar Fair Parks being half the price of the

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Six Flags ones for this single night admission to the haunts.

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And the only thing I can think of is it's

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almost the opposite of what we just talked about, where

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Halloween has been a big thing for six Flags, right,

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but maybe less the haunted houses have been less of

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a thing for the Cedar Fair in my in my take,

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and but Halloween has been like the court. You know,

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the mazes have been the big part of Six Flags,

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But it's like the inverse, right, the atmosphere has been

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the part for sedater haunts the part for them. So

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it it's exactly your point, but the opposite this time

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where they can't like completely start charging these audiences so

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much for the haunts that kind of slowly. I don't

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know what you think.

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Well, I think that the Six Flags parks were already

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charging quite a bit for the haunts, so like if

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it was twenty or twenty five bucks a pop, and

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now you can get all of them for thirty five.

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To me, that's it's the way it looks to me,

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because and when you look at this chart, you know,

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and when you get a chance to look at the chart,

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you're going to look at it and go, well, there

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is not consistency here at all. There is there is

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just no there's no rhyme nor reason to it. And

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the only thing I can think of is, yes, there

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is a trend where the former Flags parks are higher

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than the seter f parks. But then when you look

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at the jump between the per night and the all

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season May's pass, there's no logic to that at all.

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00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:13.599
Sometimes it's twice, sometimes it's three times. Sometimes it's less

458
00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:16.880
than twice. So it's like, I don't I don't get.

459
00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:20.079
The only thing I can think of is they went through,

460
00:23:20.119 --> 00:23:22.680
and I hope this is true, because if it is,

461
00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:26.640
it's really smart. It looks like they went through and

462
00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:30.599
went park by park and they said, okay, how many people,

463
00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:33.079
how many passes do we have? What is our what

464
00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:36.559
is our gate price? How many returneys are we used

465
00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:39.440
to having? And trying to find a way that will

466
00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:46.319
maximize the profit. I mean, it's it's it's interesting to me,

467
00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:49.160
like for example, with like six Flags, six Flags Great Adventure,

468
00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:53.039
one night is thirty five dollars, and then the the

469
00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:54.880
full the full pass.

470
00:23:55.000 --> 00:24:01.720
Is forty nine. So go two nights and you've already.

471
00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:03.039
More than you know, paid for your thing. So does

472
00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:08.440
that mean that they have more returneys or less returneys

473
00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:10.279
and they're trying to encourage them to return.

474
00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:12.839
I don't know. I'm going to hope though, that they

475
00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:16.319
went into this this level of detail because other places,

476
00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:19.640
as Philip said, in other parks like Flags parks like

477
00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:24.240
Let's do Let's do, Let's do Caroins. Carowins is interesting

478
00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:27.240
because they have a May's Pass per night, which is

479
00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:31.759
ten bucks super low super low, but they don't have

480
00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:37.119
an all season pass, So it's I think they're I

481
00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:39.359
think what they've done is they've tried to fit the

482
00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:41.720
pricing to the behavior of the guests in the park,

483
00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:44.440
which again is in line with what John Riley was

484
00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:47.480
saying in the call too, that they're they're really looking

485
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:52.240
at making it so that the guests they they are

486
00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:55.160
making the most for the guests out of the guest experience.

487
00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:59.240
So yep, it's yeah, I can't I can't quite figure

488
00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:01.880
it out either, but that's that's what it looks like

489
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:03.359
to me, is that they've gone kind of park by

490
00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:07.559
park to figure out where are where are the pressure points,

491
00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:10.880
where are the opportunities, and made it so that they

492
00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:12.599
didn't do a blanket statement so that.

493
00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:18.839
They're not alienating any of their existing audience. I don't know.

494
00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:21.559
I hope that's the case, because quite honestly, I think

495
00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:22.960
that's really smart business.

496
00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:29.880
Yep, yeah, I agree. The Okay, let's move on to

497
00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:33.400
D twenty three. I was just looking at this table

498
00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:35.440
and thinking, I'm like, maybe I need to go double

499
00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:36.960
checks some of these websites and make sure because some

500
00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:39.160
of the pricing wasn't released, which was the other reason

501
00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:42.079
that I get grumpy. But anyway, like don't put out

502
00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:43.839
a pressures, but they don't have all your ticket bundles

503
00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:46.559
up and anyway, Okay, that's the side thing. Okay, D

504
00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:49.079
twenty so you actually got you actually got to go

505
00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:52.000
to D twenty three. I went to D twenty three

506
00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:56.799
for Attractions of Magazine. I was filming their video, which

507
00:25:56.839 --> 00:25:59.279
you can see on their YouTube. They kind of took

508
00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:01.960
took it and chopped it up into all the different

509
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:04.119
segments that you can see like a dozen videos there that.

510
00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:06.039
Were my really shaky camera work.

511
00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:08.359
So I apologize everybody for that shaky thing, but you

512
00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:10.359
know it because I had to have a really bad tripod.

513
00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:12.839
It wasn't the big one, and so I'm trying to

514
00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:15.200
unscrew it but also move it. It was it was

515
00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:17.079
the whole thing anyway, So I'm sorry about that. So

516
00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:22.279
I'm sure again all of you have already heard everything

517
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:24.759
about D twenty three. I don't know. To me, the

518
00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:26.440
thing that stands out the most about it is just

519
00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:32.200
that it is it seems like they were really Disney

520
00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:34.640
as a whole. So I know Justin Morrow was there

521
00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:37.039
because he came up to talk to people literally right

522
00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:39.119
behind me, so I saw him there, So I know

523
00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:39.720
they were there.

524
00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:42.559
And we've got to remember, this is a shareholder meeting.

525
00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:46.160
This is supposed to be the investor meeting to show

526
00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:48.839
people what they're doing, and that's, you know, what it's

527
00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:49.440
supposed to be.

528
00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:51.279
So I think.

529
00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:55.279
It also is interesting that he didn't take the stage right.

530
00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:57.839
It wasn't the executives for a lot of it. It

531
00:26:57.920 --> 00:26:59.920
was Patrick Harris, who is a big theme park fan,

532
00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:02.119
and that seemed to be the through line, is that

533
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:05.400
it was about the fans. This is what we're doing.

534
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:08.119
We're showing that we're listening to you, and I think

535
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:10.200
that's that's all for any company. That's a huge thing.

536
00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:13.240
We're listening to your concerns, We have heard your concerns.

537
00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:15.559
We are going to address these things.

538
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:16.160
Here they are.

539
00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:18.160
And then you have Neil Patrick Harris, who is a

540
00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:20.920
fan leading it instead of you know, a Disney executive

541
00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:24.279
who's there and Tomorrow doesn't get on stage and talk.

542
00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:28.039
He goes around and he talks to fans. And so

543
00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:30.240
I think all of the optics of this were really

544
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:32.640
well positioned to make it seem like they were looking

545
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:36.839
to do what's needed for the fans. We didn't hear

546
00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:41.400
anything new from a Capex standpoint, like all this big

547
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:46.039
stuff that we heard about updates like I have a

548
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:48.960
chart for this too, but you know, Villain's Carousel, Progress,

549
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:52.920
Piston Peak, Monstropolis, those are all things we already knew about.

550
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:56.079
What they added was a spaceship Earth, a renovation, but

551
00:27:56.119 --> 00:28:00.440
who knows when and what. There's no details of bringing

552
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.680
back the YETI. They're fixing the Yedi, that kind of stuff.

553
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:08.920
They're gonna revitalize, reimagine Tomorrowland, but again who knows when

554
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:11.960
and how. But anyway, my point is this seemed to

555
00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:14.799
be fan forward, even in the tomorrow Land announcement, because

556
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:17.599
they talked about how they were going to move some

557
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:23.160
of the renovations around to prioritize Tomorrowland instead of the

558
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:26.599
other instead of building the other stuff first, And that's

559
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:29.640
because people really want it, and it's true. I mean,

560
00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:31.559
that's all I hear from my friends that go to

561
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:35.000
his Land is how old Tomorrowland is. So it does

562
00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:37.400
show that they've been listening to people and that they're trying.

563
00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:40.359
But I would also add that they're not announcing any

564
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:43.400
huge CAPEX investments yet, and that's probably because we don't

565
00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:45.680
know how much they're gonna cost. Because as a manufacturer,

566
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:48.240
I can tell you now we have you know that.

567
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:50.839
It's like every day is what's going on with the tariff,

568
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:53.000
and we're still playing that game like beer pong. We're

569
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.319
still playing it. Like I think the general people have

570
00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:58.240
moved on from terraffs, but it's still a thing for

571
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:01.599
US manufacturers, and that impacts how much rides cost, and

572
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:03.839
it impacts your ability to say how much a thing

573
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:05.119
is going to cost ten years from now.

574
00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:07.519
Anyway, Sorry that was a long so so No, no,

575
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:08.720
that's not a ran at all. And I think I

576
00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:09.039
think it.

577
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:10.839
I think it all kind of it all kind of

578
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:12.799
plays into what I'm about to say. I think what's

579
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:17.119
interesting is this was a more star studded event than

580
00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:21.680
most award shows. This was all about the production value.

581
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:26.400
You know, you say it's it's their their stockholder meeting,

582
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:30.039
but it D twenty three wasn't created for that. D

583
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:32.160
twenty three was created as a fan event, is a

584
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:34.839
global fan event, and to make a connection between the

585
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:41.079
fans and the corporation. So I think if it is

586
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:45.519
there for, you know, stockholders, it's to show stockholders who

587
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.200
most likely are Disney fans anyway, especially ones who've stuck

588
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:49.319
with their stock for a long time.

589
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:52.400
I have Disney stock and it has gone up and down,

590
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:53.880
mostly down.

591
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:57.079
For a long time. But the only reason I keep

592
00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:00.039
it is because I'm a Disney fan. So I I

593
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:02.839
think that that's really what they're playing into is we

594
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:05.599
love our fans. We want to keep our fans entertained.

595
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:09.759
We want to keep them feel as though they're informed,

596
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:13.000
feel as though they have the inner track. Yes, they

597
00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:15.960
are rolling things out very very slowly so that their

598
00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:18.119
opening dates, they're not giving any hard dates. They're not

599
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:24.119
giving any hard openings. But who cares, because look, it's

600
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:27.440
Glenn close, you know. I mean, that was exactly what

601
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:30.160
I thought when I saw all of the coverage, because

602
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:31.839
I've been watching the coverage just like you guys have,

603
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:36.160
and I think that it was a really impressive dog

604
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:39.759
and pony show to keep everybody enthusiastic about the brand

605
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:44.640
and therefore enthusiastic about the investments that the company is making.

606
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:49.880
So hopefully, hopefully that will work, and hopefully we will

607
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:52.640
get some more solid answers in the future. But as

608
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:55.240
Philip mentioned, with tariffs and wars and all kinds of things,

609
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:58.920
who knows how quickly these things can or will be

610
00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:02.559
actually implemented. So I think they did a lot of

611
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:05.119
I think they did a lot of flash, a lot

612
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:09.519
of celebrity focus to keep us all interested and to

613
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:12.079
make the fans feel as though, oh my gosh, you

614
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:14.359
know it's there's Jimmy Fallon and there's did all these

615
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:19.319
all these amazing superstars really who all came in and

616
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:23.079
and and gave them one heck of a show. And

617
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:26.799
then of course you know Olaf. But anyway, we are

618
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:29.640
out of time. Thank you guys so much for listening

619
00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:32.559
on behalf of Philipernandez from Gantam Lighting and Controls and

620
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:35.559
myself Scott Swinson from Scott Swinson Creative Development. This is

621
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:37.799
green Tag Theme Park in thirty and we will see

622
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:39.039
all of you next week.