Aug. 16, 2026

Art the Clown Takes Over HHN, Six Flags Opens 2027 Passes

Art the Clown Takes Over HHN, Six Flags Opens 2027 Passes
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Universal Six Flags Halloween

Key Takeaways

  • Universal Studios Hollywood is bringing Art the Clown back to Halloween Horror Nights in three controlled deployments, featuring a Terror Tram takeover, a dedicated photo opportunity, and a character encounter.
  • Working with independent creators allows theme parks to be nimble and bring hot, bleeding-edge intellectual property into events rapidly, as seen with the inclusion of Nikki from Obsession just two months after the film premiered.
  • Operators should establish event bones and hold flexible budget placeholders so late-breaking pop culture IP can be seamlessly plugged in without disrupting the entire production.
  • Original music, such as Slash's custom ballad for the Killceañera house, serves as a powerful storytelling vehicle that delivers exposition and creates sticky marketing assets that fans demand on platforms like Spotify.
  • Six Flags has opened pass sales for 2027, featuring regional Gold and Prestige passes alongside bundled dining options and all-season Fast Lane pricing ranging from $600 to $2,000.

Universal detailed its Halloween Horror Nights Hollywood plans at Midsummer Scream, and the throughline is small IPs moving fast. Art the Clown returns in three controlled deployments: a Terror Tram takeover built around an original storybook and metal Christmas covers from Ice Nine Kills, a dedicated photo op, and a character encounter. Nikki from Curry Barker's Obsession joins as a character experience two months after the film premiered, the kind of deal that only closes that fast with an independent creator. And Slash scored the Killceañera house with an original song the villain lip-syncs, delivering exposition as a ballad so good fans are already asking for it on Spotify. The takeaway for operators is to build the event bones and hold the budget placeholder, so the hot IP can plug in late.

Elsewhere at Midsummer Scream: Hollywood adds its first Unmasking the Horror daytime tour at $20 for two houses, Winchester Mystery House drops the linear haunt for an open festival format, and Six Flags Magic Mountain adds Final Destination plus a werewolf maze from a Knott's Scary Farm designer, cross-park design work the old corporate structure never allowed.

Meanwhile, Six Flags opened 2027 pass sales one day after earnings, with regional Gold passes, Prestige passes, dining as bundles, and all-season Fast Lane pricing that runs $600 at Knott's and $2,000 at Cedar Point. Entry stays cheap because the strategy is repeat visitation.
Finally, SeaWorld Orlando, Aquatica, and Discovery Cove return to a single president, 23-year company veteran Brad Gilmore, reversing the 2023 split.

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Frequently Asked Questions

How is Art the Clown being integrated into Halloween Horror Nights Hollywood?

Art the Clown returns through three controlled experiences: a Terror Tram takeover featuring a custom storybook and metal Christmas covers, a dedicated photo opportunity, and a character encounter.

Why do theme parks partner with independent horror creators for Halloween events?

Partnering with independent creators reduces red tape and allows parks to rapidly capitalize on fresh, viral intellectual property shortly after a project premieres.

What is the benefit of building event 'bones' with budget placeholders?

Holding budget placeholders for lighting, audio, scenic, and labor ensures parks remain flexible and ready to deploy last-minute popular characters without sacrificing operational quality.

What is the Killceañera house at Halloween Horror Nights?

Killceañera is an original haunted house in Hollywood featuring a custom-composed song and ballad by Slash that delivers story exposition while the villain lip-syncs to the vocals.

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This week from our studios in Los Angeles in Tampa,

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this is Green Tag Theme Park in thirty I'm Philip

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from Ganta Lighting Controls that I'm joined as always by

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my delightful co host, Scott Swinson of Scott Swinson Created

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a development Here on Green Tad. We look at the

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top news each week and we try and pick the

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stories we think matter most to industry professionals and discuss

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them here on the show. This week, we're going to

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try and get through a lot of news. We're going

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to start off with the announcements that came out of

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Midsommer's Scream, and then we're going to go into some

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of the six Flags passes that went on sale, and

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maybe we'll wrap up with some news from United Parks

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if we get there. So I last weekend we recorded

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early because Scott and I were both busy, and I

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was busy at Midsommer Scream where I attended some of

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the attration panels and wrote up a lot, way too

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many articles about some of the announcements and anyway, but

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I think there are some interesting nuggets. I'm sure all

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of you have already read all of these, not my articles,

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I'm sure you've read just in general about the stuff

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that came out, but I wanted to highlight some of

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the most elements from a I guess a professional standpoint,

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and a lot of them have to do with Halloween

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Hohrn Nights in Hollywood, where John Murdy was going through

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the whole thing the first and I think is like

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the flexibility that is allowed when you're working with the

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smaller ips because Hollywood will yet again bring Art the

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Clown into the park, but this time in multiple ways.

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And they're also bringing in Nikki from Obsession as a

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character experience, which that part is also very interesting because

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of the time time frame on that. But for Art

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the Clown, you know, last year was an operational challenge.

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We talked about it last year on the show about

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the operational challenge for it, but this year it's going

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to be even more because he's doing three three experiences.

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So one is that Art the Clown is taking over

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the Terror Tram and this was the thing that was

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most interesting to me for the operator standpoint, because they

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are basically they partner with the band and they basically

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they've made a old time record book telling the story

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about how much Art the clown likes Christmas, but he

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has to murder Santa and do some other things along

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the way, And they partner with a band to record

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covers of like metal versions of Joy to the World

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that could play as the backdrop of this. And so

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we have a narrator like reading this book. So it's

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this whole ecosystem they built around the IP that then

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gives you the narrative shell for what you're going through

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to experience when you do the Terror Tram. And then

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they're adding a dedicated art photo experience at the end

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of the Photo Tram to kind of try and phototram

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the Tearo Tram, to try and mitigate some of what

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you get with the park stuff. And they are bringing

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art back as a character encounter. But I think they're

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hoping that because he's in the Terror Tram and there's

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a dedicated photospot, that it'll be less harassment or there's

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just more of him around and maybe less harassed. But

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so that's what's going on with Art. What do you think, Scott,

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operationally it's a lot. It's it's basically like he's the

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mascot of They didn't say that.

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the things that we have to look at, and I

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think we're gonna talk about this even more when we

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get into the character from Obsession. But the in working

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with an independent, there's a lot less red tape because

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you can go directly to the creator, so you can

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be nimble like this, you can find ways because I

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that Art was successful the last time he was incorporated,

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not because he wasn't popular. It was actually because he

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was too popular and nobody planned for it, so, you know,

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basically unfortunately because it was because the planning happened so

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quickly and without a whole lot of support structure.

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be you know, bleeding edge, but at the same time,

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if it's bleeding edge but doesn't work, then it may not.

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you have to be nimble, you have to be able

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to you have to be able to make last minute

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adjustments based on Since IP has now become king. You

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have to kind of make last minute adjustments based on

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what IP is currently hot.

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I've been doing.

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and I told them, I said, while you're doing your film,

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figure out how it can be integrated into a theme

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park Halloween event. While you're making the film, and if

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there's you know, if you can throw a scene in

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there that could become a haunted house and become an

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expansion of that element of the of the story, do

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it so that you have it ready to go the

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moment you want to try to sell the character and

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get more people to come see the film, or if

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the film takes off and they come to you and say,

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you know, we would love for you to put x

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y Z film into our haunted attraction or our Halloween event,

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then you've got something ready to go that is not

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just well, what are.

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I don't know, Let's have him roam around, Let's him

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just magically randomly appear and get beat up. So but

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as far as as far as it sounds like they're

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taking the right approach, it sounds like they're putting him

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into a more controlled environment at least for the first

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two of three. You know, if he's got a dedicated

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photo op and he's part of the terror Tram, he's

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clearly more integrated. People won't have to have that fear

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of will we see him, will we not see him?

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You know that if you take the tarror Tram, you

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will see him, and if you want to go to

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the dedicated photo op, you will see him.

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So the.

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Enthusiasm or the fear of missing out, the fomo of

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the whole situation is pretty much eliminated. So I'm hoping

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that that will reduce some of the unfortunate situations that

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happened last year. And I think, I think, you know,

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this is one of the things that I think everyone

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can kind of look at. You know, not all, not

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all parks can do are at the clown, but if

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you've got you know, even if you've got somebody local

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or a local film festival. I've known some haunts that

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will actually host host horror film competitions. And then what

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I and I keep I've judged them twice for two

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different organizations, and I kept saying, what you really need

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to do is look at take the winner and make

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it so the winner doesn't have money. The winner gets

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the theme for the following year, so that you're taking

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it into control. You know, we've talked about the idea

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of doing attractions from films, but we've also talked about

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the idea of doing films from attractions.

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You know, the.

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We'll just call it the Pirates of the Caribbean syndrome.

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So I think the more what I would recommend, especially

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from like an art the clown situation or an obsession situation,

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is start to blur the lines between the two. Start

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thinking about those as soon as you can, and keep that,

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keep that.

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On the.

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On the radar so that it doesn't all of a

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sudden pop up and you go, oh oh, you know,

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it would have been so much cooler if we had

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done this, or so much easier to integrate into a

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park if we had done that, or so much easier

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to translate it into a live experience if we.

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Had done this.

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Keep that in mind from the get go, because you know,

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as we're learning, that is great marketing for a small film,

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for an independent film number one and number two. It's

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also an additional revenue stream. So it's a revenue stream

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you get paid to participate.

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In I do think.

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I think it's interesting you're bringing that up tangentially. We've

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talked about that with Meo Wolf the New La Experience

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where they set. They partnered with the film studio from

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the beginning and they planned to make an animated series

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that runs in tandem, you know, with the with the

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debut of the experience, and have unified characters for the

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first time, you know, And it also strikes me that,

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you know, that's what John Murdy and the team had

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to do for this, is that they had to effectively

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make new art the clown media that because you know,

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the Terror Tram for those of you that haven't been

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on it, it is the most unique part of hallowing

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rond and Hollywood because it's the thing that nobody else has,

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is this tram that goes on the back lot, right

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but you're on a tram ride for a significant amount

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of time, and that's when you can give them the exposition.

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as strong because it hasn't been as strong of an exposition.

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But in this case, you know, they had to so

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basically they it's exactly what Scott's talking about. They started

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you know, Terrrifier was a movie. Then they got brought

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into the parks. But now they're they're having to make

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new film the media that can play while people are

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sitting there. So basically new excerpts of a movie that

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people can listen to while they are on the trend

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that then takes them into a physical experience. So they

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are creating new media to give this exposition for this.

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And Jemmery talks about the difficulty, like you're saying the

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difficulty of a character who doesn't talk at all. So

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how can they give exposition, Well, you have to put

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a narrative around it as to that's why there's this

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book and it's like a story book, and then there's

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a different out of body narrator, right, and then there's

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music and all this that has to happen around there

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because the character can't talk, right. So it's interesting, it's

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I think this is also something that probably only Hollywood

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can do. I'm also going to say that because you

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need the talent, you know, you need the ability to

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do all of this, not just the access to the IP.

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And I think that's something that would have been harder

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to do again in Orlando because the bigger event, and

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there's just.

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More well, and I think I think, I think that's

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something you just have to That's just a really good

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point across the board. Access to an IP and the

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ability to strongly execute that access are two very very

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different things. And I think we've mentioned it a little

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bit before in other episodes, where you know, if you

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if you have to spend so much on getting the

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rights to use the IP, if that takes money out

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of the pocket for the implementation, it may not be

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money well spent. It may be money well spent from

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a marketing standpoint, but from a repeat visitation or a

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social media the you know, the the Yelp reviews will

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go crashing to the ground if it's not if it's

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not executed properly. So finding that balance between yes, okay,

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we can get this, we can get this IP, but

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do we have a plan that we can afford to

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implement it once we have the ability to use these characters.

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Right, And that's going into the obsession thing.

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I thought.

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The thing I thought was interesting most there is about

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how quickly they were able to do it, which should

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really give a lot of hope, I think, to anyone

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in the physical park. Theinged entertainment environment that's trying to

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move things pretty fast. So you know, the show didn't

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come out until May Obsession, and apparently, if you listen,

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according to how John Murdy tells it, he didn't know

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the creator or any of that the movie or went

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not until he saw it, but he loved the film,

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and then somebody else basically send him a tweet where

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the creator of the film enjoys going to Halloween horn

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Nit's in Hollywood because they come here to Hollywood of course,

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because that's where they're based, apparently, and so John May

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was able to get in contact with them and make

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a deal to bring in Nikki, the one of the main.

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Characters who's portrayed I guess as a villain.

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But then you get into the question of is the

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character going to be a villain or not, because you know,

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how is it going to work in the timeline all

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that kind of stuff, But you're able to bring he

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was able to bring that in from you to now,

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so it was like two months we're able to figure

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it out. And I will say it seems like in

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Hollywood they're moving over to doing what they're calling character

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experiences rather than scare zones. So they've kind of only

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doing four scare zones, but they have more character experiences,

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and this will be a character experience. And I think

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it's just because it's faster. I mean, it's easier, it's

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more flexible. A character experience can be anything, basically, and

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it's a lot easier to bring that in, less props,

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less whatever. But it seems to be working really well.

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Again to your points got about it works well. I

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think when you have good characters, which means having access

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to good talent, and you just have a lot of

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talent sitting around in Hollywood.

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Well, I mean one of the examples, the closest example

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that I've worked on personally is not necessarily an IP.

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But back at Hollow Scream in Tampa, we would not

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know the marketing creative and that was the last thing

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we figured out. That was the last thing we heard

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from the marketing team. So, because it was very important

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to me and and a lot of the team at

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the time to have an opportunity for guests to experience

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that marketing creative the moment they walked into the event,

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we would actually just go ahead and hold a certain

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chunk of the budget for the front Gate experience and

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we would you know, guestimate that we'll need X amount

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for scenic, X amount for lighting, X amount for fog,

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X amount for audio, put a put a placeholder in

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there for some the creation of some some original music,

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that sort of thing, and then of course labor. So

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I would know that whatever the experience was, we've got

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eight we've got eight characters assigned to that area. So

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we don't know what those eight characters are going to

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be at. But we had it in the plan from

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the get go, so it wasn't oh, gosh, what can

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we cut so that we can get this last minute

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really hot thing.

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So I would I think that's.

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As you say, Philip, I think that the the idea

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of doing them as character experiences or or glorified photo

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ops or whatever you want to call them much simpler

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you could. You can plug and play pretty much any

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character into those kinds of things. If you know, you

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know we're gonna need we're gonna need a backdrop, we're

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gonna need lighting, we're gonna need an audio, and we're

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gonna need a queue.

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And if you know that, and.

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You've got all that laid out and ready to go,

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the moment you get your character, no matter how bleeding

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edge it is.

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It's like done, plug and play.

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Yep, yep, yeah.

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I think that's that's a good takeaway is building the

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event bones and then you allow for flexibility because you've

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already allocated a budget to do something. It doesn't mean

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you have to have the whole event planned in January.

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It just means you can be flexible. I think we're

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seeing that around the board.

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Uh, we're trying. I'll try and speed things up here.

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But with kil Sineada, the which is the original Hnehouse

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in Hollywood, the interesting thing there is that they have

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partnered with Slash to compose an original song which does

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include singing, and it's basically the song is giving you

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the backstory and the whole thing. It's a full What

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I like about it is it's a well composed song

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and it gives you the motive and it gives you

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all the exposition in the song, but not in a

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forced way.

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It's like a ballad.

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Good.

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It's a good, well done song. It sung well, it

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sounds incredible, It's really really and it will play in

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the house. They're also making the character appear and the

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character will be lip syncing to the vocals, so it'll

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be tied directly to that and playing at the house.

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So I think that's a really good way of making

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this stuff sticky. And we talk about like how do

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you convey your stories quickly? How do you make things sticky?

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How do how do you do all these things? This

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is a music is a pretty good way to do it,

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especially when you can make it sticky. They played the

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music already at the panel Midsummer Scream. I put it

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up on my YouTube and the thing I noticed about

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people is the comments or discuss that how it's a

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really good song and please put it out on Spotify,

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and kind of people asking to be able to listen

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to this outside of the event.

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And that's a good sign.

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And I think that's what we would be hoping for

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with a story, is that people want it outside of

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the event.

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And quite honestly, you can these days. And I'm sorry,

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I hate to say it, but let's say you can't

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afford to hire slash, Well, the next stop is find

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a local band, find a local band that's that's looking

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for some exposure, or worst case scenario, you can go

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to you can. I mean, music can be composed through AI,

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including lyrics. So if you want your quote unquote original

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and I put that in quotes because nothing from AI

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is truly one hundred original. But if you if you

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want to do that, you can. You have the ability

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to put that together. So I love the idea of

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having a theme song.

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We've done that.

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I've done that several times at several different haunts, and

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in fact, I'm doing it for one of the experience.

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That's one of the experiences at Zoo Tampa. And although

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the song, which does have lyrics, was not will not

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be playing throughout the house, it does play throughout the

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queue and it tells basically the backstory.

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Yep, yep exactly. And I also think it's back to

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the marketing thing you mentioned before too. It's it does

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give you things to talk about that make it interesting

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and differentiated. And I think what I like about these

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two is it's something for the super fans to look at,

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but it's something for everyone to enjoy.

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Like you don't have to write. The song is just

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good on its own and you can just enjoy it

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while you're waiting in line or whatever.

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And it doesn't have to but it so it's the

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same method though the Hollywood is doing for the Terror Tram, right,

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because they they had a smaller, much smaller band, I

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Sline Kills and they are composing all these songs to

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be played on the Terror Tram. So like they're doing

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that same strategy on a smaller level with a smaller

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band for the Terror Tram, and I think that's the

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goodt strategy very quickly.

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It's important to recognize that anybody can do it. That's

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the most of this is this is a cool idea.

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This is a takeaway that you don't have to do

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with a rockstar Hall of Fame level performer.

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You can do it with somebody local, or you can

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use a night.

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Right For the first time, Hollywood is doing a Unmasking

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the Horror tour, which we've talked about before too. I mean,

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if you have these assets, as long as the assets

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hold up in daylight, which a lot of them sometimes don't,

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but as long as the asset holds up in daylight

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with house lights on, this is a great idea. I'm

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actually surprised it's taken Hollywood this long to do this

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because it's an easy thing to do. Like Scott always says,

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you you know, you're really just paying for the time

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of the human to walk the other humans through, and

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so in this case, in this case, the price is interesting.

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So it's twenty dollars per person and it's two houses,

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which still works out because I think it's a group

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of twelve or twenty or something, so you're still paying

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more than the person's cost, you know, than the staff cost.

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But it's a really accessible price point. And you go

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through kil Sinetta and Sinners as the two that you

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go through, and it's an hour, so it's a nice

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fun up charge thing that just an hour, and they're

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firing them every half hour, so they probably have two

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groups that are just cycling back and forth. So that's

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I think that's I mean in this case that you're

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going to have the demand because it's universal, you know,

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and so you have the demand there. But I think

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that anybody could be thinking about how they could do

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tours of this, and well, we're not going to get

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a chance to talk about this by one more thing

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I'm going to pull in just because I've been writing

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about it. At Kenny Wood this year for their Phantom

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Fall Fest, they have what they're doing is in the

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same ballpark they have that trackless Stark ride there, and

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what they're doing is converting that track with Stark Ride into.

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A haunted house for their Fantom Fall Knights and two things.

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So during the day on the Phantom Fall fast nights,

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it's going to be a trick or treat experience with

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actors and they'll walk through intric or treat inside inside

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the dark ride. At night it'll transform into a hont house.

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And so it's the same idea of like, this is

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a really good asset that looks good with the lights

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on and that you can reutilize. And we see two

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different ways of doing it.

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You know.

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Kenny Wood is like, let's just let kids walk through

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and make it not scary and give them candy, which

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is a great idea. And then on the flip side,

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you know, Hollywood's like, let's just let people walk through

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and we'll just tell them how triggers work, right, and

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we'll charge them and they'll just be one staff member

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they'll take them through and they can take pictures because

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it looks so great.

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Great ideas.

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Yeah, once again, it's all about the execution. I will

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say that it's very rare that just turning the lights

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on for these kinds of tours is enough.

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But candlelight treating experience and candy, Yeah, I mean.

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Candy is great and uh and and quite honestly, the

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unmasking tours is for for fans anyway, So they're going

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to nerd out about being able to see stuff and

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take pictures of stuff that they won't normally be able

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to get good shots of. So yeah, if you can

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generate revenue, we were, we were. I've had I've been

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of multiple mindsets on this. There is the side that

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if you show too many people lights on tour, then

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the magic is shot. So you just have to kind

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of make sure what you're showing and what you're not

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so that you can still have those unexpected moments throughout

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the hunt.

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Yeah.

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I think a lot that comes from the performers too, right,

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because it's a really different experience without performers and without

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show lighting, and so.

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Absolutely think that's that's that that that's a big of it.

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You know, you're still going to be surprised because the

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performers bring that that energy to it, even if you know,

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like they point out.

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As does show lighting and audio, you know, as do

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show lighting and audio, it's it's it's you hit the

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nail on the head when you say, does it look

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good under house lights?

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Right? Right?

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Okay, let's try and button this up. So the two

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other very interesting things that came out of Midsummer' Scream.

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One is that Winchester Mystery House is kind of moving

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from a linear hont format into a festful format. That's

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a trend that we've been seeing multiple places. The Scarehouse

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is also doing something like that where they're only opening

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a festival event with no haunt at all, but this

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one's at least more of a festival type choose your

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an adventure experience, which is I think where things are

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going again. We're getting more into that free flow less

463
00:22:27.079 --> 00:22:29.480
line experience. The character accounters that we just talked about

464
00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:34.039
another good example of that. And over at six Flags

465
00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:37.039
Magic Mountain they have announced a partnership with Final Destination.

466
00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:40.160
And the more interesting thing though, is that they have

467
00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:43.359
a new Werewolf maze that was designed by one of

468
00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:46.880
the Not Scary Farm designers. Because now that they're the

469
00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:49.599
same umbrella, you can do that you can have Not

470
00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:53.720
Scary Farm designers haunted houses for other parks, and that

471
00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:55.400
is fascinating to me and very smart.

472
00:22:57.039 --> 00:22:59.079
Yeah, there was a time that they really pushed back

473
00:22:59.119 --> 00:22:59.359
on that.

474
00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:01.039
Yep, when I was doing.

475
00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:06.000
Some work for them, they really did not want to

476
00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:13.759
dilute the uh, the the Knots experience by making them

477
00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:14.920
available in other parks.

478
00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:17.519
But I'm glad to see that that is that is

479
00:23:17.559 --> 00:23:18.640
the that is the.

480
00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:23.079
New norm, because again, you know, as we said just

481
00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:25.359
before the show, six Flags is the largest theme park

482
00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:26.440
operator in the country, so.

483
00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:30.079
You might as well, you might as well cross utilize

484
00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:30.640
your assets.

485
00:23:31.119 --> 00:23:31.960
That's right, that's right.

486
00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:35.039
Well, speaking of that, our was trying to talk a

487
00:23:35.079 --> 00:23:37.240
little bit about the season passes.

488
00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:38.160
It fits right into this.

489
00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:41.799
So the we talked last show about the earnest call,

490
00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:45.440
but we recorded before they released the twenty twenty seven

491
00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:49.000
annual pass information, so we have that now. I'm sure

492
00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:50.559
all of you have already seen it too. But it

493
00:23:50.599 --> 00:23:53.359
plays into this where you know, you this is a

494
00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:57.880
great little microcosm of the situation where you have a

495
00:23:58.000 --> 00:24:01.640
not scary farm designer design you know, Haunted House for

496
00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:05.039
six Flags, but also doing work for Knots. But those

497
00:24:05.079 --> 00:24:08.440
are covered under the same gold pass. So people that

498
00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:11.160
have gold passes can actually go to both parks. They

499
00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:14.279
can't go to both Halloween events necessarily, because not scary

500
00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:16.400
farmers a separate ticket charge. But it's kind of that

501
00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:20.519
principle of you're tying these regional parks together, try and

502
00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:24.559
make them a little bit more coherent. So I think

503
00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:31.359
the most interesting things about this pass sale is, you know, it's,

504
00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:37.359
like we said before, the Gold Pass, they've split into

505
00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:41.000
four regions. They have East, West, Midwest, or Texas, and

506
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:44.119
then they saw the Prestige Pass, which is every six

507
00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:46.359
Flags park in North America. From there, it kind of

508
00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:48.839
all changes a little bit actually, So some of the

509
00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.200
Gold passes include parking, some do not. All the Prestige

510
00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:55.480
passes includes parking. It kind of depends on the region,

511
00:24:55.759 --> 00:24:57.519
So they're basically pricing.

512
00:24:57.119 --> 00:24:57.720
It per region.

513
00:24:57.920 --> 00:24:59.599
Is the most interesting part where they're kind of breaking

514
00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:01.920
each region up. Each region's Gold Pass has a little

515
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:06.920
bit different offerings and prices, and then Prestige just covers everything.

516
00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:10.160
How much you pay depends on your home park as well,

517
00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:15.200
and that's part of the regional pricing. So what I

518
00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:20.240
think the biggest from a zooming out from a macro standpoint,

519
00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:25.200
they kept the prices pretty accessible. These are very very cheap,

520
00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:29.240
accessible prices for the Gold and for the Prestige I

521
00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:33.200
would argue, so it's clear that they're still trying to

522
00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:35.960
carry the strategy of getting guests to come back over

523
00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:38.039
and over. If you make the entry price cheaper, they

524
00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:40.319
come back. Where they did make some adjustments was with

525
00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:45.160
the dining. So previously it was really cheap to add

526
00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:47.039
your dining plan you can eat every time you go

527
00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:49.079
to the park or whatnot. They've changed that now so

528
00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:51.839
they're offering more like bundles, so you can get a

529
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:54.599
twenty meal bundle, or you can get a thirty meal bundle,

530
00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:58.680
or you can do the classic where you can eat

531
00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:00.240
every time you show up with the park. So that's

532
00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:02.440
kind of how they split everything up. And those prices

533
00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:07.880
are also different depending on which bundle.

534
00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:09.559
You have, like what area you have.

535
00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:12.920
But to give you a range, I looked at them

536
00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:15.759
because my home park is Notts very farm, so for me,

537
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:19.640
the twenty bundle is one hundred and forty, the thirty

538
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:22.759
bundle is one hundred and eighty, and then every the

539
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:27.079
whole season unlimited dining is five hundred, which is still cheap.

540
00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:30.720
It's like seven dollars a meal, like it's still a

541
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:34.240
very accessible I think price point four families in this

542
00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:37.400
range it's just they changed it a little bit and

543
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:41.200
they're offering drink passes, and they also offer all season

544
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:43.079
fast lanes, which I think is where a lot of

545
00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:46.480
the fans kind of went crazy, because, for example, that

546
00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:49.119
all season fastening for Knots is six hundred dollars if

547
00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:51.640
you want to do fastening every time you go to Knots.

548
00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:56.079
But for Cedar Point it's two thousand dollars because it's

549
00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:58.440
Cedar Point, and they had an issue, of course with

550
00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:01.279
everybody from that region going there to fill up the

551
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:05.799
lines because they have the best coasters there. So, Scott,

552
00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:08.839
what do you think from operational standpoint about these changes.

553
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:12.799
I think they're kind of necessary in order to have

554
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:15.880
these models be sustainable, right, I mean, you can't be

555
00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:18.160
giving away so much food, and then you can't be

556
00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:21.400
given away too many fast lanes or you clog up

557
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:22.079
the experience.

558
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:27.920
Well, and I'm curious to see how having the fast

559
00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:33.279
lane associated with your pass. I'm curious to see how

560
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:36.720
that's going to play out operationally. My only concern about

561
00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:37.960
this and looking at all of it, I don't think

562
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:41.359
there's anything particularly wrong with any of it, and I

563
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:43.680
do think it's interesting that they're playing with all the

564
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:46.920
different all the different tinker toys that they have to offer.

565
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:50.680
There's you know, passes, there's there's fast passes, there's food

566
00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:54.720
that it targets different demographics. Quite honestly, that's right, which

567
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:56.359
is more important getting to the front of the line

568
00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.359
or getting food. So it's it's focusing on different demo graphics,

569
00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:06.319
which I think is smart. I think I personally feel

570
00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:09.400
that it is a little bit too convoluted and is

571
00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:11.559
still going to take some time for the audience to

572
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:15.759
fully understand. I think they have done a pretty decent

573
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:19.319
job in explaining the differences between the passes and why

574
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:21.559
they're different, pricing and this, that and the other thing,

575
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:25.359
but it is still an awful lot to kind of

576
00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:28.160
wade through to figure out what do I need what

577
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:30.319
and and and of course the sticker shock of a

578
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:31.480
two thousand dollars.

579
00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:32.160
Pass is just like.

580
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:38.480
No, but but it but it is necessary, you know,

581
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:41.559
as you say, it's you have to it's it's supply

582
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:43.720
of you know, the laws of supply and demand, so

583
00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:45.799
you have to kind of make sure that you can

584
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:46.559
control things.

585
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:50.160
It's almost like.

586
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:55.440
With the new you know, with the new management structure,

587
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:59.319
with the merger of the two companies. They're kind of

588
00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:01.039
throwing a bunch of stuff at the wall. I think

589
00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:03.119
it is well planned out stuff. I will say that

590
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:03.599
it is.

591
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:04.319
I think it is.

592
00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:06.599
I think it is being done in an organized manner.

593
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:09.000
But I bet they're going to see what sticks. And

594
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:13.440
I bet this is going to be simplified over the

595
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:17.680
next year to two years based on where they are

596
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:18.440
making the most.

597
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:20.160
Bang for the buck and where they still.

598
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:25.279
Where money's being either left on the table or they're

599
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:27.920
robbing Peter to pay Paul, based on what is included

600
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:30.200
with different different passes.

601
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:34.440
Yep, yeah, that's my thoughts. That's my thoughts.

602
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:36.160
Yeah, well we didn't quite make it to sea World,

603
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:37.960
did we do? You want to just real quick do

604
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:39.039
the quick announcement there.

605
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:44.839
SeaWorld is moving back to putting three parks basically, so SeaWorld,

606
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:46.960
Orlando Aquatic, un Discovery Cover are going to be one

607
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:49.559
president again, which is how it was in twenty twenty

608
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:51.319
three and then how it was previously. So they've just

609
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:53.720
been ping ponging back and forth. But they're basically just

610
00:29:53.759 --> 00:30:00.079
bringing back the gentleman that led it before. And and

611
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:02.559
let's see, sorry lost the name here.

612
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:05.359
Gilmore.

613
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:08.160
Yeah, he'll be going back. Breg Gilmore, Yeah, brag Gilmore,

614
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:09.640
he'll be going back. He's a twenty three year old.

615
00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:13.519
He's not twenty three. He's a twenty three year company

616
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:16.160
veteran who has run this before. He had it in

617
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:18.680
twenty twenty three, and of course before that, from in

618
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:25.240
twenty nineteen until twenty twenty three, it was a Kyle

619
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.400
Miller who did the same thing. And I don't know,

620
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:28.920
it just seems like they're going back and forth on this,

621
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:31.920
and it's just we have press. Of course, six Flags

622
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:34.839
tried this and it didn't work with people. I'm not

623
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.559
sure if it'll work with these three, but it seems

624
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:38.720
like they keep going back and forth.

625
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:42.759
Yeah, it's sort of like when we started reading about this,

626
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:46.039
I said everything old is new again, because it's like, oh, well,

627
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:48.319
we can be much more efficient if we do it

628
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:50.079
this way, and then in another two to three years

629
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:51.880
they'll probably say we can be much more efficient if

630
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:55.559
we split them back up. So again, there's nothing wrong

631
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:59.200
with reevaluating your leadership structure and just make sure that

632
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:01.119
the people who are the leaders are not the ones

633
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:02.960
doing it because they will have a personal interest.

634
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:07.000
Just say it and it seems like the you know,

635
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:09.319
these people all worked with each other. So on the

636
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:12.200
one hand, you could make the same argument that we

637
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:14.319
kind of talked about with six Flags, where you're like, well,

638
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:18.400
it's basically leaders picking people they work well with together

639
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:20.440
and then they know they can they can make a

640
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:22.240
good team with. So that kind of would make sense.

641
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.039
But you could also make the opposite argument and say

642
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:27.880
that this is another cost cutting measure that they are

643
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:32.359
trying to do to really do as much soft buybacks

644
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:34.480
as they can and then try and sell land. I mean,

645
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:36.200
you could look look at it with either lens. There's

646
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:37.440
probably arguments on both sides.

647
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:42.880
Yeah, And whether it is a cost saving measure or

648
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:45.599
just an efficiency measure, who knows. We shall see because

649
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.279
they do go hand in hand. All right, there's your

650
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:51.039
thirty minutes right there. So guys, thank you so much

651
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:54.680
for being Green Tag fans. It's great to meet people

652
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:57.799
who listen or watch the show listen to or watch

653
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.000
the show when we're out and about, so please contine

654
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.400
you to come up and say hello. We thoroughly appreciate that.

655
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:05.599
And on behalf of Philip Bernandez with gantuon blighting and

656
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:08.720
control and myself Scott Swinson with Scott Swinson Creative Development.

657
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:10.480
This is green Tag Theme Park in thirty and we

658
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:12.519
will see all of you next week