Oct. 20, 2024

Epic Universe Opening Date Announced & Disney’s New Lightning Lane Premier Pass

Universal Orlando Resort officially announced the opening date for their much-anticipated new theme park, Universal Epic Universe, slated for May 22, 2025.

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Universal Orlando Resort officially announced the opening date for their much-anticipated new theme park, Universal Epic Universe, slated for May 22, 2025. We break down what this means for the park’s future and how it stacks up against industry expectations. Plus, Disney is launching the Lightning Lane Premier Pass, offering guests a more flexible option similar to Universal’s Express Pass. We discuss how this new offering might change the guest experience and what it signals for the future of queue management at Disney parks. Tune in for insights on these major theme park developments and more!

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Okay, from our studios this week in Los Angeles and Tampa.

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This is Green Tag Theme Park in thirty. I'm Philip

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and I'm joined as always on my cost Scott Swinson

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of Scott Swinson Creed Development. We are well, I'm at

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least a little jet lag because I just got back

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from Asia. But and you're just about push through. You

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just got back and you're just about to leave. Yes,

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my plane leaves in two hours. So here we go, guys,

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Welcome to October. So I told Scott we're going to

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record a little bit early because it is clear that

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the winner for this week's news I even me seeing

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the rest of it, is definitely going to be the

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announcement of the opening date for Epic Universe, which is the.

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Universe you're talking about with these these I know nothing

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about these, right.

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Well, it's that's okay, because we will. We will inform

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you by reading the press living under a rock apparently. So.

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So Epic Universe is opening May twenty second, twenty twenty five.

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That is less than a year away, and they Universal

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is sent out a press release. I'll read pieces of it,

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but most of it's some blob lah. But let's see

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Universal Orlando Resorts highly anticipated fourth theme park, fourth th park,

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sorry sorry, Epic Universe will officially open on May twenty second,

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unlocking the portals to five astounding worlds that will bring

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to life extraordinary adventures that go beyond guess wildest imaginations.

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You know. Also at the Universe is the most ambitious

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theme park Universal Destinations and Experiences has ever created and

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will be the next game changer for theme park entertainment.

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With a total of more than fifty incredible experiences that

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range from groundbreaking attractions, to breathtaking entertainment, to incredibly themed

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dining and shopping, and so much more. Epic Universe will

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present a level of theme park immersion and innovation that

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is unmatched across five themed worlds, and they explain more

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about what we are. We've talked about all this. There's

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a quote in here from Karen Irving that says, this

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is such a pittle moment for our destination. We're thrilled

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to welcome guests. With the addition of this spectacular new

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theme park, our guests will embark on an unforgetable vacation experience.

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I think that's key vacation experience with a key with

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a week's worth of thrills. That's also key. That will

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be nothing short of epic. Okay, we've talked about previously

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all the different announcements, so I don't think we need

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to really delve into what each land is because we've

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already talked about that. I think the biggest piece about

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this is the ticket like options I guess that will

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released as part of this. So interestingly enough, they are

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going to allow annual pass holders to purchase single day

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tickets to Epic Universe before they go on sale to

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the general public starting October twenty fourth, and then the

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rest of the tickets will so it's weird. So basically

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they're doing like a phased ticket option, and they have

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not announced any of the other phases except for this

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first phase. And in this first phase, you starting October

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twenty second, you can purchase three day, four day, or

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five day ticket packages and no matter which one you choose,

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it includes one day of Epic. So if you buy

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five days, you get one day at Epic. If you

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buy three days, you get one day at Epic. So

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that's the package they currently have now they have not

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announced other details of other ticket packages at all. And

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then on October twenty fourth, if you are an annual

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pass holder, like a current active annual pass holder, and

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just a note for that too, like apparently the Universal

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clarified later that your pass has to be like activated

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as in it has you have to have been to

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one of theme parks before October twenty fourth, So you

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have to like.

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Buy your pass now and go, go, go go.

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Yeah, I think that's what they're Yeah, that's kind of

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what they're saying. But then October twenty fourth, you can

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purchase a single day ticket to Epic without needing to

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purchase multiple days for the other parks, so that the

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only ticket stuff we have now it's just.

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You have to buy. You have to buy a multiple package,

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whether it's a multiple ticket package or a season pass

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in order to get a single day to Epic.

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Unless you live in the UK or Latin America, where

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they have separate options that are more like vacation packages.

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So those wouldn't be a single day, would they?

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No? No, correct, Yeah, So that's what we got it is.

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So first of all, I mean, I haven't put this

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out on social media, which I was funny, but I

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don't think it's going to be ready to open I mean,

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we've talked about this. It will open, but like, will

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the entire park be open? I don't think so. And

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only forty percent of people that I pull online think

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that it will be fully open according to like everything

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they've announced, So it doesn't seem like the majority of

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people think it's going to be, you know, fully open,

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at least that I know in my spheres of industry

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people think it's going to be fully open. And then

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I do think it's really throwing people a bone. I mean,

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I think that they, to my knowledge, they hadn't talked

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about allowing passolders to purchase the single day tickets before,

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so I think that was a surprise and that's definitely

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throwing a bone to their fan base in Florida.

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So of course, yeah, it's it's interesting. I'm I'm curious

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because I'm hearing the same rumblings that you're hearing, Philip,

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and that is that if it is fully open, it

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will be a miraculous push to the to the finish line.

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But at the same time, there's a couple of different

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things that I think are interesting here. Yes, I think

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the ticketing is interesting, but not surprising. I mean, they'd

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already talked about they'd already talked about the possibility of that,

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or at least I had heard rumblings of the possibility

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of that prior to this. I will say I give

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them credit for basically controlling the news media, because they've

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been beautifully dropping things all along. And this is obviously,

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you know, one of the bigger ones that it's it's

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not just information about the park, but they now have

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an opening date, so it gives people time to who

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want to travel here, time to make those plans and

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to get here. I guess my question is, even if

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it's not fully open, does it matter because there are

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enough people out there who want to be the first

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of the first to go in there, and whether it

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is fully operational or not, they want to get in there.

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They want to see what they can see, They want

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to experience what they can experience, because you know those

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people are going to go back later anyway. So and

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I'm I'm guessing, let me put it this way, if

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I were in control of leaking information, which I'm not,

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but if I were in control of leaking information from

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this project, I would actually start leaking that it might

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not be fully completed so that you can make it

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an opening year or an opening year and a half,

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as opposed to trying to cram everybody and disappointing everyone

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in the first you know, the first month or so. So,

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I think because some people are going to say, well,

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it's not quite open yet, let's wait until so and

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so opens, or let's wait until such and such opens.

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Yeah, it it does seem like this announcement is basically,

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like I think, to your point to to basically because

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they did hint that they didn't even say in the

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press release that like other ticket options will be available

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at a later date, like resident tickets, express passes, single,

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you know, multi day ticket options, how many of those

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will be available, you know, like we don't know, right,

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it depends on demand and all that ticket sales. Right,

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But it does seem like they're trying to put a

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stake in the ground so that people can plan their vacations.

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And that's why I think even she said it, like

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you know, a week long you know trip or whatever.

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I think they're they're they're basically, especially having like UK options,

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like they're really trying to be like here's the date,

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plan your summer holiday, plan your or whatever, you know,

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book your ticket, packages. It's I think it sounds like

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it's more for people that are not locals that are

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going to be coming that they want to encourage people

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coming from other places and they know that you need

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time to book accommodations, remember, or maybe they're just hoping

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that people will book and they'll have a better idea

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of the international demand or something.

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I don't Well, they're finally and they're finally in a

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position where they can go toe to toe with Disney.

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You know, Disney has always been the come to Disney,

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stay at Disney, eat, sleep, drink Disney, and then go home.

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That's always been the Disney model. They want every dollar

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that you spend when you come to when you come

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to Florida, if you're visiting at Disney Park and staying

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on Disney property, all of that money they want to

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go to Disney. They don't want it to go anywhere else.

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Universal with this fourth park, the three and a half park,

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With this fourth park, they now have the ability to

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command a full week. There's no question that it will

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take a full week for guests who are visiting from

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out of town to experience all of the things that

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Universal has to offer. So my guess is yes, they

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are targeting right now with this announcement, if I were

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going to interpret it, they're targeting two separate two separate entities,

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or two separate groups of potential guests. One are the

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diehard fans who are probably already universally as you say,

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throwing a bone to the fan base. One of the

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one group is already the people who are committed and

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just want to get in the park. They just want

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to be the first to say and the first one

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is to post, and the content creators to be able

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to go in and say here, I am an epic

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universe and bah bah blah blah. Quite honestly, they won't

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even you won't even hear much ripple of well, such

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and such is not open yet, as they can get

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some of the key things open. Just to be the

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first to experience those key things, people are gonna spend.

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Are gonna spend top dollar for that. They're gonna spend

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top dollar, even if it involves buying a multi day

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pass for the other parks. You know, that three day ticket.

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I'm gonna guess, maybe I'm wrong, but that three day

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ticket they're going to sell out of relative quickly, forcing

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people to do the four and five days, and there

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are going to be people we know them. We know

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these these fan people, we know them. They are going to,

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uh say, I don't care what I have to spend,

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I'm just gonna I'm just gonna buy it and be

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there in the first you know, the first month that

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it's open, so that I can say I was there

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when and and that's great. I mean, that's that's super cool.

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They're also targeting the international visitor, like you say, and

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and that is because international visitors have a tendency, generally speaking,

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to spend more money on holidays than locals do. So

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they can get the hotel right the hotel reservations at

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you know, all of the universal hotels, they can get

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the people who you know, these people don't take holidays

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every three or four times a year. They take them

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maybe once a year, maybe once every three year. But

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when they go, they go for a longer time and

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they spend more money. So it makes total sense that

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you would target that market as well. The one thing

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that I think people I don't think people have necessarily

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taken into consideration, and I'm not quite sure how it's

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going to work. Maybe you know, epics not connected to

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the rest of the properties.

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Yeah, epic.

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You have to actually take a bus that takes you

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off property to go back on property to be part

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of that experience, and I'm curious to see how that

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is going to be detrimental to the overall guest experience.

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I don't think it's going to matter for the first

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I would say, three to five years. But after that,

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I'm wondering if people are gona say, oh, we'll just

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drive over. Oh wait a minute, let's go to something

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on international drive or something like that. I don't know,

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we'll see.

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Yeah, I think that that's way. There's so much that

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Universal could plan to maybe mitigate some of that, but

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I think it's going to be especially.

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Perhaps it's buying all the property between.

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a lot of that will just have to see based

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on their strategy. For the international visitors, because they're, you know,

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the locals, it won't matter. But the people that are

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visiting obviously that the infrastructure and the transportation between parks

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matters a lot more to people they don't have cars

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and aren't familiar with the area so well.

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It also drives people to stay in the hotel. That's

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that's correct, correct.

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I think that's another big thing too, right, It's like, well,

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it's just easier, which has always been Disney's whole thing.

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That's why they have a whole like city, you know,

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because it's so you know, to us, it's easy to

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get from Disney Universal, but Disney has made it difficult

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for people that don't know the area and can't drive

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and you know, don't know how to naviate around.

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It's all about their removing barriers. So I'm really I

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am curious to see what they're going to do. You know,

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is Universal going to land launched like a their equivalent

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of the Disney Magical Express, you know, and and have

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bus or you know, tram service or a thing thing

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figured out for That'll be very interesting to figure out.

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But the date, too, is very interesting, especially because international travel,

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as we've talked about, has not quite rebounded, and so

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I also think it's a pretty big maybe not a bet,

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but maybe like you know, maybe they're hoping that by

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pushing for that date they can capture because that's right,

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It strikes me that's right at the like summer and

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bank holiday time, and that's right when like the Europeans

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do their begin to have their their travel and like

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you said, like you said, their vacations are much more

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elaborate than the US ones. I mean, like whole places

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will shut down. It's not uncommon to take two weeks

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or more to go around, and even the UK package

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says like two weeks you know, of access to stuff.

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So so yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting that they're making

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such a big play for that international market when it

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really hasn't hasn't rebounded. And it's almost like I'm wondering

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too if this how much of this is coordinated just

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because you know, I mean, because we're in the industry,

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so you know, we we all know like Ayapa works

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with the parks, and the parks really work to get

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like everyone works together. And this, to me also could

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be part of a larger plan to try and jolt

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interest back to Orlando from from that from the international

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areas that haven't rebounded yet.

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Right, right, well, and this is you know, this is

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far enough out that yes, it is a little bit

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of a bet, but it's also it's also an achievable goal.

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And in the mid line, right, like all the numbers

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are going in that in that direction exactly.

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And you know that the marketing team in the UK

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because you know, for people who are not in the industry,

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every theme park has marketing teams around the world. Every

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theme park chain has marketing teams, either temporarily or permanently

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entrenched around the world to encourage international visitation. They just do.

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And so you know that they're out there pushing and

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pushing and pushing. I'd be curious to see if there

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aren't even package I won't call them discounts, but package

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deals perhaps that are only available in, for example, the UK,

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because I can very easily see some folks from the

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UK saying, yeah, I don't mind spending you know, two

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grand a night to stay at the hotel. Yeah yeah,

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so and if you mark that down to fifteen hundred,

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oh great, even better. Yeah, because with the with the

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exchange rate, that's even more appealing to folks from the UK.

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So yeah, yeah, Well that part's interesting because some places

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it would be more appealing. But it does really seem

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like they're targeting the UK in that region, you know,

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instead of like because I was thinking if it was

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other regions like Canada or Asia, it would be worse, right,

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It would be the worse. It would be a much harder,

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much more expensive for people. So so it's pretty clear

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they are targeting the uarpay market.

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So yep, yep, yep. Okay, I'm excited for it to

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get to the UH two because I probably will not

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go in twenty five. I will probably wait until twenty

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six unless someone I know offers me, hey, you want

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to go see backs behind the scenes stuff, and then

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I'll go. But and that's because I like to see

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it get up and running too. I'm that person, you know.

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I want to make sure that it's it's fully operational.

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Plus I'm going to lay dollars to doughnuts that there

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will be an IAPP at expo. I was just thinking

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that event there in not in twenty not in twenty

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five necessarily, but perhaps in twenty six.

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Maybe I think there'll be something in twenty five. There'll

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be something in twenty five, like maybe it's an EDU tour.

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Or it's I was gonna say, probably an edutor.

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Yeah yeah, something that's low capacity that's easily manageable or something. Yeah, yeah,

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I agree. I mean I think I'll try and go back. Earlier,

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you said you're not sure it matters. I'm coming around

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to that. I think again, this is a problem with

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where I'm too into the industry, you know. But you're right,

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I'm not sure that I don't know. I guess I

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was thinking originally. I was thinking, well, if somebody is

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coming from internationally and you know, this is their big

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trip and they show up and like, you know, the

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puppets or the ride that was promised in this area

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isn't open. To me, that would be I would think

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they would be upset. But to your point, it's a

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new theme park, right, so it might just be like

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there's enough they're banking that enough will be prepared that

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folks will not notice, you know, or they won't like

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it won't really it won't be that big of a

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deal if it's something like that, And then yeah, all

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the other locals can just wait, so they're not going

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to care.

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The bloom isn't off the roads yet. I mean, it'll

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still be new, it'll still be fresh, and they'll still

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be able to say I was there when it first opened. Yeah,

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you know, the other the other side of it too

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is and we've seen this, and I've heard this from

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folks who are actually working on the project, but it's

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not proprietary information. You can see it when you go

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and see the gigantic model that's you know, at at

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CityWalk there. Each area has one major hook and is

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supported by culinary and merchandise. There is so much room

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for expansion in this park, to add additional elements to

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each of these areas. So I'm wondering, and I don't

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know this, but I'm wondering if they're only announcing those

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things that they think they can get done, well, I

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good luck to them. If you look at it though,

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I mean, even the even the Harry Potter installation there,

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it has it has two or three elements, really, you know,

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not a whole lot of major, major elements. And nobody's

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going to be upset if if they excuse me, nobody's

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going to be upset if a culinary area is not open.

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Yeah. No, there's really not. There's really not too much

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to this park as it is now, you know, I

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mean I think people have been talking that about that

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for a while. I mean they've really again they've only

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announced the anchor stuff for each area and then but

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you know, I mean it's one of those funny things

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where if you actually break it down, You're like, okay,

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so there are five.

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Rides, five five A ticket, you know, five E ticket

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rides like we used.

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To say how many rides are at like you know,

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other theme parks like Magic Kingdom. I mean, it's it's

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really like it's a but yeah so so maybe but

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I'm not even sure about some of those. But any anyway, Okay,

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that's it. Let's move on the other big news this

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week that Hugh god Disney's timing is just terrible though.

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I mean, all of their announcements recently have just made

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them look really really bad, and this is another one

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that makes them look bad. But in my opinion, I

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think it makes them look bad, but we'll see. So

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Disney has announced a new Lightning Lane Premiere Pass that's

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going to be debuting on both coasts, and essentially this

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is going to work exactly like the Universal Express passes,

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where you just buy the Premiere Pass and you can

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use it to any attraction once at any time, so

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you don't need to reserve a time slot like you

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normally do for Lightning Lane. You just kind of walk

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up to the attraction and use it whenever you want.

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And it does work a little differently. I guess to

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depend on each of the what the different coasts are

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or you know, But that concept is the same, and

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some of the details are a little bit different, but

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that that concept is the same. So in Disney World,

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it's going to cost from one hundred and thirty to

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four hundred and fifty dollars per day, and guests can

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purchase it up to seven days prior to their resort

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check in, or they can purchase it there if they're

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at the parks, I believe, where there's details about purchasing

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it there. At Disneyland, so that's a pretty big swing, right,

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one hundred and thirty to four hundred and fifty. At Disneyland,

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there's not nearly as much of a swing. It's more

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like they've put it in pricing periods, right, so from

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October to December, so I e like this holiday period

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it's going to be four hundred flat four hundred dollars

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per day, and beginning January it'll be three hundred to

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four hundred depending on the day. Throughout twenty twenty five,

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and you can you can purchase it up to two

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days in advance of use. For Disneyland, they say it's

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going to be like highly limited and restricted, but still,

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I meanally at Disneyland. We were just there last night.

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I was like, okay, four hundred dollars. Yeah, you can

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go on any ride, but four hundred dollars is a number,

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like it is, I mean, it's it's a number, right.

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So what is the current ticket price?

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It ranges from one hundred and four to like one

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hundred and eighty depending on the day.

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So it is always going to be more than twice.

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Yes, yeah, and I guess that's not park copper.

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Do you'd have to buy one for each park?

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No, So the premiere it looks like the way the

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premiere pass works is that because it says here that

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valid at both Disneyland resort theme parts in the same day.

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So you have a park opper ticket, you can buy

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one premiere pass.

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Correct, But the park opper tickets I think about sixty

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seven to seventy five dollars more so it so if

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you bought like the one eighty and then you added

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the park copper, it'd be like two fifty, in which

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case it would not be more than twice. It would

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be like two fifty plus four hundred.

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So six hundred and fifty dollars for a day for

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a person to be able to use Lightning Lane.

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Yes, that's where we're at.

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Yeah, six fifty a day.

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Yeah, to use basically like the Universal Express equivalent where

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you just kind of like walk up. So which is

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really funny because it actually, you know, this is what

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you've been asking for for a while, is to bring

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it back to like where it was, you know, kind

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of previously, where you kind of had like a more

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free flowing day. So they did do that. They did

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bring it back to you to be able to have

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a non scheduled day. It's just six hundred and fifty dollars.

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They just put a gigantic price tag on it.

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Yeah.

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Well, and truth be told, you know, if you are

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only there for one day, you know, say, for example,

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you you fly in. And part of the reason that

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it's always going to be more at Disneyland is because

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they were never set up for crowds. Yeah, the park

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was never built for crowds. They've done every thing they

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possibly can to mitigate that to alter cues, et cetera,

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et cetera, et cetera, but that park was never set

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up for the number of people that it was meant

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to put through. Well, Disney World in Florida is a

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slightly different story, but even there, they're not going to

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leave money on the table, so and people are going

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to Now what's going to be interesting is when people

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drop that six hundred and fifty bucks to go and

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experience the park and they don't get to do everything.

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What's going to be the negative blowback from that? And

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that will just have to wait and see, because I

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don't know.

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Yeah, I mean there's been a lot of talk about

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it on social media, like just a lot of like

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cause it's just, you know, we're back into that realm

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of like Disneyland. Especially. I think disney World is a

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little bit more palatable because they at least have a range. Right,

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who knows how many days will end up being one

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hundred and thirty, right, who knows, Like maybe it's like

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one day out of the year one hundred and thirty

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and the rest is five hundred, but whatever, But at

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least there's a posted range. And also, I think it's

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understood that Disney World is more I mean, it's much

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more international. It's more more people that are not you know, locals, right,

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I mean that the proportion is much more. But Disneyland.

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You know, I think there's been a lot of ble

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back on social media, and I know because I'm here

474
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in the middle of it, and I I mean, I

475
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could you know, even yesterday we were just there down

476
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to Disney, and people were just talking about it, like everybody.

477
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Everybody was like like just regular people, cast members. I mean,

478
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just everybody was talking about it. And I think if

479
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you think about it, understandably, it does upset it because

480
00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:38.799
it does seem like bad pr even if to your

481
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:41.400
point it's like they're just you know, I mean, why

482
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I leave money on the table, right, Like that's a

483
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corporation's job is to not leave money on the table.

484
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So and it's not in theory, it's not really going

485
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to impact people because well I don't know how many

486
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they're going to sell, but I can't imagine they're going

487
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to sell that many. Who knows. But but I think

488
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the perception is that you add this on top of

489
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the other issues recently, so like you can't buy magic

490
00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:07.759
keys anymore. They stopped notifying people about renewals and so

491
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:09.720
a lot of people are like missing their renewals, like

492
00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:12.599
getting them off of magic keys, and then the ticket

493
00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:16.079
prices have gone up already. They have posted doe up

494
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and they're posted to go up again for regular day admission,

495
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and now you're adding this, so it's just item on

496
00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:24.839
top of item on top of item, you know, to

497
00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:27.559
add to it. So I think it's more than pr locally.

498
00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:31.680
That's the problem because in my brain I was like,

499
00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:33.119
how many people are going to do that? I mean,

500
00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:34.720
is it really going to be an issue at all?

501
00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:36.359
Because how many people are going to possibly do this?

502
00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:38.319
Like look at Star Cruiser, right, I mean I don't know.

503
00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:40.400
Maybe there's going to be ten thousand people that pay

504
00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:42.000
four hundred dollars a day and then nobody can go

505
00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:43.319
to the park at all, But I don't think so.

506
00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:47.400
Yeah, I it depends on if, you know, if they

507
00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:50.160
if they do truly keep it limited, if they do

508
00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:53.799
truly control it. It's either it's going to do one

509
00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:55.519
of two things. It's either going to make them the

510
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:58.559
money they want to make, because let's face it, anytime

511
00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:01.200
you do a lightning lane or a fast pass or

512
00:27:01.240 --> 00:27:05.400
anything like that, you're in essence printing money. Yeah, because

513
00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:09.359
there's no overhead cost, minimal, minimal. You have a little

514
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:12.240
bit of a staffing change you have to staff two

515
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:17.799
more locations per attraction. But still it's but.

516
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:19.759
This isn't going to even add that because they're just

517
00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:23.319
gonna use the regular lightning lane exactly exactly. They're just

518
00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:25.799
gonna be able to walk up Like That's the thing

519
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:28.720
that's so crazy about it. It's not even like it's

520
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:31.119
not like a frontal line, you know, because we've I

521
00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:33.519
even I even talked about this, how like the the

522
00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:36.200
private tours for all right, you know, I was impressed

523
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:39.440
by Universal's private tours because they do literally walk you

524
00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:40.799
to the front of the line, like you do, not

525
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.680
wait in the line. But this is this is literally

526
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:47.599
still you're still waiting. That's the thing, because it just

527
00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:51.359
lets you use the lightning lane whenever you want, but

528
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:52.960
then you still have to wait in the light lane

529
00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:55.240
lane or you know, and for some of the big

530
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:57.720
rides like Rise, I mean, that can still be a

531
00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:00.759
pretty significant wait. So I do one or to your point,

532
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:04.880
you know, I mean disneylight is notorious for I mean,

533
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:06.680
right now is a terrible time to visit because so

534
00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:09.000
many things are closed at the park, right and then

535
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:10.720
you know, it's no different, it's.

536
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:13.279
No different from from Horrn Nits and getting your you know,

537
00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:15.559
not doing a tour, but getting your whatever it's called

538
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:19.839
now your fast pass express yeah, express pass where you

539
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:22.759
know you still have to you you instead of waiting,

540
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:25.880
instead of waiting two hours for a haunt, you wait

541
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:28.319
an hour for a hant, depending on the time of night.

542
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:32.240
So you know, but it's also four hundred dollars.

543
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:38.240
Yeah, yeah, it is interesting. I think. Yeah, that's the thing.

544
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.160
The four hundred dollars part is like it's that's as

545
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:42.920
much as a magic key, you know when they used

546
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:48.119
to sell them for the very bottom tier. So yeah,

547
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:52.000
I guess you know, again, I think Disney. Disney's the

548
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:53.880
only one. Again we've talked about this, but Disney's only

549
00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:57.880
the only ones that's experimenting with different ticket options. So

550
00:28:58.039 --> 00:29:00.279
I think in that vein, we should be great full

551
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:03.359
that they're trying it to see, you know, what people are,

552
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:08.559
how people are going to react, because you could see

553
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:10.640
that working for other attractions as well. Maybe not for

554
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:14.160
four hundred dollars, but you know, maybe like again, the

555
00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:19.480
concept of you know, if we've already monetized you know,

556
00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:23.960
an expedited entry, and most most people, even haunted houses,

557
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:25.799
most of them have put a timed away on that

558
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:29.000
because otherwise it's too you know, you can't manage the

559
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:31.880
groups is too much. So most places have this timed

560
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:34.240
entry type of thing, you know, with with some you

561
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:37.079
know a lot of attractions do. So if this works well,

562
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:39.440
I guess that could be evidence to the other, to

563
00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:44.160
other attractions potentially of a new way to monetize removing

564
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:47.680
the time code, you know, removing the time limit entry from.

565
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:50.640
Sure and by removing the time limit entry is it

566
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:54.880
is it cost effective for the company to remove the

567
00:29:54.960 --> 00:30:00.279
time limit entry limit the number of guess who can

568
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:02.440
purchase this and raise the price so that they're still

569
00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:04.119
making the same amount of money. I mean, it's all

570
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:08.079
a balancing act, so we will see. You know, I

571
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:11.880
can't imagine that anybody would would really actually spend extra

572
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:18.240
money to get something extra, sort of like Green Tag Unhinged,

573
00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:22.079
but ours is cheap. Ours is not four hundred bucks.

574
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But we're about to record that right now because we

575
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are out of time for a regular show. So hopefully

576
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:32.799
you are watching and listening to us on Unhinged and

577
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:35.759
if not, that's okay too. Just keep coming back because

578
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we love having you here. This is Green Tag Theme

579
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Parking thirty on behalf of Philip and myself. This is

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We'll just see you next week. Bye.