Disney Jollywood Nights

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From our studios in Orlando and Tampa. Oh my gosh, we're on the

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same coast as this screen tag team
park in thirty. I'm Philip and I'm

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joined as always by my magnanimous co
host, Scott Swinson. Scott Swinson Creative

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Development. I'll be magnanimous today.
Look I make I don't even know what

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magnanimous means, so I don't know
how to do that. I just got

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to thors out and threw it out
there. So okay, okay, good

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good. So Scott, I thought
we'd start off this week by talking about

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a story that we didn't cover last
week, but it's pretty it was pretty

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important, and it's about your favorite
holiday, which is Christmas. Christmas,

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There's going to be a new ticketed
Christmas event coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios in

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Florida. It's called Disney Jollywood Nights. And actually, when I told somebody

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about the story, they were like, is that a Christmas event at Dollywood?

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See. I immediately went to I
immediately went to a park that just

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closed in the UAE, and I
went Bollywood Nights. Bollywood's reopening is Jollywood

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Nights. Oh god. So this
event is a first year event. It's

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only happening ten nights in November and
December, and it's the classic after hours

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party. It's going to be from
eight thirty pm to twelve thirty am,

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with rides and whatnot. But what's
really interesting about this not besides that it's

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the first year event, a first
year holiday event, which we don't get

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many of, Like, we don't
get many new first year holiday events in

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the US at all. Right,
They tend to kind of stick around for

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thirty years. I want I mentioned
a holiday cough cough cough. I guess

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that's twenty two or something. But
what's interesting is the slate of entertainment I

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think is from the gate is quite
impressive, especially the main theatrical show,

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which is a Muppets themed show.
It says Kermit the Frog and Miss Page

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will host an all new musical variety
stage show at the Are the Stars,

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featuring special appearances by guest stars Tina
Bell, Mini Mouse, and Mickey Mouse.

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We have confirmed that Kermit and Picky
will actually be there in person,

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as you know dodges on the screen, so that we don't have all the

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full details for what that's going to
be like, but just the fact they're

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bringing a stage show that's going to
be a muppet it's an interesting angle,

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and there's a bunch of other stuff. There's going to be a jazz lounge

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at the Hollywood brown Derby, which
will be kind of like a sounds like

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it'll be like a well, but
they'll have like a small jazz perform It

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will be like more of an intimate
environment and of course capacity limitations on that.

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The Hollywood Tower courtyard will be themed
as a tiptop lounge, and we'll

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feature a new guest stuck in the
twilight zone, which is also like they're

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leaning to the ghost side of this. They will have the jingle Bell Jingle

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Bam, which last time we saw
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actually offered every night as part of
the regular park overlay, and so now

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they moved it over to the ten
night ticketed only aufter Ours event if you

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want to see Jingle Bell Jingle Bam
again. They're also going to have stylished

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partygoers who want to put their own
singing and dancing on display, and they're

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going to do a Nightmare before Christmas
sing along at the Hyperion Theater. So

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it'll be obviously not the full movie, it'll be similar to how they've done

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other sing alongs. It'll be a
shortened version where there are singing moments and

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apparently there's going to be an appearance
from Jack and Ookie. So it sounds

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like it's going to be similar to
what they do on the cruise ship actually

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where they have Jack and OOKI like
kind of come up after, but just

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a shorter version of that. And
then of course food, right access and

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characters in their holiday attire and whatnot. But yeah, what do you think,

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Scott, Like a lot of just
interesting that they're going with muppets and

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they're going with the ghosts and the
spooky and the jazz. I mean,

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it's it's a very interesting moments they're
bringing in. Well, this sounds to

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me at just at first read,
and maybe I'm maybe I'm way off,

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but this sounds to me a little
bit more on the or targeting the adult

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Disney fan versus the family Disney fan. Um. It all just in the

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way that it's it's packaged on the
on the website that I looked at,

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and a lot of the stuff that
they've talked about and the entertainment offerings all

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seems to to sort of skew towards
a more mature audience. You know,

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the fact that it's a jazz club, the fact that, um, you

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know, there's they're they're making the
Twilight Zone, you know, Tower of

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Terror a focal point. Um.
Even and I hate to admit this,

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but even the fact that you know, Piggy and Kermit are hosting the show.

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Um, that's an older right,
I mean that makes me nostalgic for

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older adults. Exactly, there's it's
an older ip. You know, those

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of us who who who remember the
Muppet Show, you know, we forget,

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we forget that. You know,
although Kermit was on Sesame Street,

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Piggy never was. Piggy was a
um you know, Muppet movie, Um,

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Muppet Show. She was a character
that was created, Um, were

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a more mature, more adult audience. So I and the Kermit Piggy relationship,

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of course, is that as well. I'm curious to see Again,

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it's always all about execution, and
I'm curious to see how those characters will

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be brought to life. I am
hoping, beyond hopes that they are brought

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to life as puppets and not as
full characters, not as small body characters.

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Because that just in my opinion,
undermines what the muppets are. But

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I'm I'm biased, I'm a puppeteer, so I'm i'm very I'm very much

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a purist when it comes to that
because obviously, you know, Mickey and

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Minnie is as full costume characters.
Don't bother me at all because and I

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realized they were never puppets. They
were, but they were originally, you

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know, two dimensional celluloid characters.
I just think that there's been enough transition

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to make them to make them live
characters. One thing I do think is

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interesting is you know, they if
you're going to do something new for the

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holidays, you're basically starting to compete
with what other parks do, correct,

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And that's why I think it's interesting
to see that this is more focused on

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a more mature or more adult I
would say, I don't want to necessarily

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say adult, but a more mature
family market because it's you know, they

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have to kind of offer variety in
their products, so it's not a direct

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head to head competition with you know, anything that's going on in Magic Kingdom

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or anything like that. So I
think this is will be interesting to see

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how it pans out. I think
that the fact that they are digging,

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they're diving into, you know,
the the ghost side, the Nightmare before

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Christmas side a little bit deeper all
suggests that they're going in with a more

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I mean, let's be honest,
even Nightmare before Christmas targets a slightly more

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adult audience. Yea, So we
will see the other thing that I'm really

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excited about, sorry, and then
I'll and then I'll shut up the other

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thing that I well, no,
I won't, but I'll let you talk

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at least. Uh. The other
thing. The other thing that I think

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is really interesting and that I've seen
at multiple parks recently, is sort of

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the as Parks. As parks continue
to expand their portfolio of intellectual properties,

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the fact that they start to cross
over now, and the fact that we

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are seeing a show that is hosted
by Kermit and Piggy and have appearances by

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Bell and Mickey and Minnie and Tiana, and it's it's so, it's it's

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it's fascinating to me that you know
things in the past that you that they

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tried to keep very very clean and
separate. Now that parent companies are starting

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to buy um multiple ips. They're
starting to cross over. And where I

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first noticed this happening was at Warner
Brothers World. And when I went to

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see a show at Warner Brothers World
and it had UM, it had Bugs

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and Daffy, it had Um,
Batman and Wonder Woman, and it had

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UM, Tom and Jerry. Now
it's it's interesting to me because originally,

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after doing a little bit of digging, they were they said that Tom and

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Jerry they were allowed to appear on
the same stage, but they had to

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be a certain distance apart. Um. They couldn't do. They couldn't do

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they couldn't actually talk to one another, which is fine because Tom and Jerry

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don't talk UM, but it was
it's just very interesting to see, you

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know, as we've said, IP
is king, and to see the IP,

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the companies that own multiple ips finding
ways to get them to cross over.

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UM. Like even even at Warner
Brothers World they did UM. They

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did for Superman, they did a
whole Superman month and for Superman Month they

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put Bugs in a Superman costume.
So it was interesting. It's interesting and

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it's interesting to see that, and
it's interesting to see Disney do that because

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they're the ones who have always been
so again truly purest when it comes to

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the holding the IP holdings that they
have, you know, got as someone

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you've worked on a lot of Christmas
shows and done a lot of I think

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create a direction for them. And
I think we talked I think we did

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a special on it last year.
At some point we've talked, did a

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whole show about Christmas planning. I'm
wondering we talked about kind of the importance

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of having a Christmas tradition offering where
it's kind of like, you know,

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if Halloween is for your friends,
Christmas is for your family, and usually

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people go to Christmas events with their
family and you know people and even when

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we've attended, when I've attended the
keynote speeches from SeaWorld and the other parts,

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they've talked about that of how they've
they've tried to do stuff that was

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not traditional and it didn't work because
it's families that are coming to do that.

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And so I'm wondering, like,
aside from the IP pieces, I'm

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wondering from a like a macro sense, like is this is this showing us

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that maybe people are ready for a
non traditional thing or is it only because

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like you said, they have another
offering, so like Mickey's very married Christmas

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Party is the epitome of traditional Christmas. Like I can't think of any park

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that offers something that's more one hundred
percent Christmas. So is it because since

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they have that offering now they can
expand and be creative. It's exactly what

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I think. That's exactly what I
think. I mean, I think back

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to, you know, even the
Christmas town Days at Bush Gardens, Tampa,

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and when we would try to come
up with, um, you know,

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Christmas shows when we got when we
got when we took our Christmas shows

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and made them two. I mean, we did one that was that was

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very sort of soft jazz kind of
vibe, and it didn't do nearly as

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well as as the traditional one.
But the fact that, um that Hollywood

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Studios is first off, a very
different park, and it sounds like and

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it looks like, based on what
I'm seeing here, that they're taking the

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sort of art deco vibe of the
park and and and really leaning into it

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and doing sort of art I won't
call it an art deco Christmas, but

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even the even the the graphics for
for the new show in the theater look

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very um of a certain era,
let's just put it that way. Um,

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they have a very specific look.
The other thing that I think is

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is unusual and not mentioned at all
or not mentioned in any prominence is Christmas

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lights. Yeah. Yeah, um
you know if you've if you've been around

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a while, that that used to
be a place where that's where you'd go

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to see the largest Christmas light display, um and back. That's true,

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I'm sure, Well, I assume
because the Christmas lights have to be part

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of the regular park overlay package,
so I'm sure. But you would think

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you would think that they would they
would at least include some of that.

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Yeah, that's sort of that's true
in their in their marketing. Um,

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I mean yes, doing the doing
the h the firework show great. Yeah.

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Um. How how important do you
think IP is for something like this?

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Because if it's like it seems like
with with Christmas, tradition trumps everything,

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like like traditional American Christmas trumps everything. So like how important is IP?

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Like is IP more important in this
case because it's it's like an additional

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offering, so you need the IP, like if it's so like if you're

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a smaller attraction or should you be
focusing on your IP a Christmas IP or

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should just be making a traditional offering? Well again, I think that I

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think you have the nail on the
head for Christmas. Christmas is the IP.

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Yeah. Um. And if you
want to bring in other ips,

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it's how do how do ri ips
celebrate Christmas? So Christmas leads it has

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to um. Nobody wants to think
about any of the other I mean even

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when you know, even people who
don't celebrate Christmas, there aren't There's not

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going to be a although they are
important holidays, there's not going to be

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a oh gosh, let's go do
um, let's go do a full theme

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park conka eventum, simply because Hanneck
is not that kind of celebration. It's

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not that kind of festival. It
just happens around Christmas time. So you

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know, yes, you can include
and you should include, you know,

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references and mentions of um, you
know, the other holidays that take place

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at that time, Kwanza Christmas.
But at the same time, don't don't.

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I find this a very difficult balance
personally because I don't want to do

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like a we're gonna we're hey Hanneka, We're gonna throw you a bone and

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put a manora between the restrooms.
You know, to me that's offensive.

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Yeah, and I'm not Jewish,
so you know, but to me that

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I don't like that. I kind
of feel like you almost need two gates

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for this to work, because if
I think about the other parks that do

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it, well, it's Disneyland,
right again, Disneyland. But the way

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they do it is they're like everything
at Disneyland is traditional Christmas period, like

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full stops. But then when you
go to California Adventure, that's where you

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have Hanaka. They have their own
stage, they have you know, they

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each each you know, they have
their own stage for the different cultures and

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they make it a celebration of Christmas
culture. But that's the line. The

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line is the park, and it
seems like that's they're just taking that but

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making it larger. In Florida.
It's like the line is the park.

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Magic Kingdoms are going to be all
Christmas for just traditional American Christmas families,

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and then Hollywood Studios can break that
mold a little bit and do something different.

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But I agree with you. I
think that the it's like almost like

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you need two gates, so you
need a very strong demarcated line in order

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to do that. Yeah, and
what's interesting is, again, having spent

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it the Christmas season, they don't
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in the lobby of every hotel there
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kind of over the top when it
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of as traditional Christmas decor. But
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that it's not religious, it's the
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embrace any of the the expats or
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Dhabi at that time of year.
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gonna transition. We're going to keep
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we're going to transition into Halloween.
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that terrify everyone? I hope so? Well, So flashback to um you

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talked about that in the last episode
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the Aztec death whistle. You mean
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it is actually a ceramic whistle that's
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but it's it's pretty cool. And
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and buy it, and it sold
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So I love it. I love
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Netflix is partnering with Halloween Hornnights Singapore. They're going to bring all of us

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are Dead to Halloween Hornights Singapore eleven, which their eleventh year for the first

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ever haunted house in Singapore to feature
a Korean series. Guests will break their

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way through Hyosen High School, the
source of the zombie outbreak, as they

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try to make it out alive.
Iconic scenes will be recreated, from the

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discovery in the medical bay to the
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a basic announcement, but but I
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to just think about what we always
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what smaller properties can do and whatnot. I mean, this basically is a

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Korean horror drama, so it's it's
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is this is the Last of Us, but off brand or even a zombie

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outbreak. It's it's really you know, um, but I think it works.

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again just like video games. You
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think about it in that area.
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is that there they look locally to
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they've even done hunted Houses based off
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they've had the local directors come in
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think, again, this is another
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I can't imagine that they have the
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Last of Us. But I think
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uses of IP. I think this
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the context. That's what I do
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only the context but also the attendees. I mean, it's clear that they

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have really looked at who is their
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or more importantly, I'm hoping who
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coming and and selected IP that is
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world a bit more globally and I
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and I get to what is really
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going to sound like a broken record
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find an IP that works for your
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you have to get the largest IP
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there is a local or regional intellectual
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or a legend that you can play
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Don't be afraid to go niche,
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a majority of your audience. Yeah, I always think of IP as a

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marketer because marketing is my core background
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I'm always telling people over and over
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are already looking. You know,
that's the whole purpose behind marketing is to

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remind your custom It's be where your
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when they're ready to make a purchase. Right, And if you think of

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IP, it's I always think of
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it doesn't matter what your creative team
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what brands and what characters your target
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with. And I think that's that's
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line with it still, you know, there's still a lot of christals on

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choosing that. And it's like,
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the marketing lens, clearly, it's
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that, you're trying to break into
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for me, it's clear that they're
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that ven diagram and they're looking at
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theme park overlap, and they're like, that's who we're targeting. We're targeting

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people with a strong sense of gaming, just like the new Minion stuff they're

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bringing in right a little bit,
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mean, that's it's it's it's anyway
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and it's and I think that I
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is interesting simply because just like Disney
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just parks, parks that have IP
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promote UM on in other levels and
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reason that that you know, last
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is because now it's not just gaming. It's gaming, and it's television and

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it's you know, so I think
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at who the audience is. I
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is going to benefit from bringing this
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help it brings legitimacy to the live
experience and it read forces the video or

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gaming experience in a live way and
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side of the IP as well.
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look first off at what your audience
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create win win scenarios between the IP
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trying to implement it as part of
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but we have opening dates now for
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in Orlando. They're both opening on
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they're going to have a new d
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but you know, I'm assuming it's
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usually do there. But just another
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creeping up even you know, even
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looking at the chart right now,
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but I'm not showing it right now. But you know, we've progressive,

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Chris, we still have Nicky's Not
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August eleventh, so we do have
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then we fast forward to September first, which is Halloween Horror Nights in Orlando,

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and then then the next week it's
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and even some smaller independent attractions are
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next weekend, all the parks are
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by that next weekend except for Knots, which we talked about previously. But

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the second week of September. Even
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our friend Spencer there is open second
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just remind everybody this whole holiday shoulder
season thing is really like, how

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can we stretch the holidays into two
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of my more and more of my
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mean again, I've been in the
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season was considered a shoulder season.
It is not anymore. It is considered

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a high profit season. Now,
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more and more of my clients are
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do we do January February? Now, ye, how do we keep you

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know, for the parks that are
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are we what are what can we
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holidays? That's interesting enough, but
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just really kind of shot our wad
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January February because that is really the

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new shoulder season. Yeah, okay, well, let's back up a little

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bit. Look at I guess a
more macro trend disneland Forward. So Governor

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Gavin Newsom kind of did a presentation
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first Pride Night about the Disland Forward
initiative. And you know, for a

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little context here, Disland Forward is
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labeling the expansion of the Disland Resort, and they've been trying to drum up

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support for this so they can kind
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economic impact. And I just thought
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cal State Fullerton's WOULD Center for Economic
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this study, which is what they
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it showed that for every one billion
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at the Disland Resort, it's expected
to generate more than two hundred and fifty

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million annually in economic output and fifteen
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Anaheim, as well as four thousand
construction and two thousand ongoing operations, So

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six thousand and six thousand jobs plus
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and more than twenty million in tax
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other context I want to paint with
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having in Florida and repeatedly how they
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tens of billions to still put investment
in here. I when you just look

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at these economic numbers. I mean, there's a reason that you know,

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the UAE is trying so hard to
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invest in because it does it does
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jobs for the area. So m
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for those of you who who are
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Disney gets frustrated enough they can pick
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states that Disney's already invested in,
already has a huge investment in. And

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you've got you know, the governor
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expansion. Careful Florida, you know
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sitting here in Florida. And you
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if you if you think that Disney
can't just decide to pull out, now,

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are they going to do it in
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But are they going to continue to
make choices to go elsewhere if they are

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not welcome in the state of Florida
most likely. Yeah, just kind of

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keep that in mind, because it
would be a real shame, certainly for

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the state of Florida and even more
so for the city of Orlando to lose

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one of the two giant guerrillas that
are you know, keeping that keeping that

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city afloat. Now, I am
interested to see what's going to happen with

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Universal and how they're because they're right
now kind of flying under the radar for

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Epic. Yeah, and they're gearing
up for Epic and they're getting ready for

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you know, for that part.
Now, they could be tickled if Disney

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pulled out because that means they don't
necessarily have competition and yet and I haven't

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talked to anybody in uh in the
the Universal team or on the Universal team.

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takes away um Orlando Appeal is going
to take butts out of their seats now

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it you know, obviously it will
help them with hotel stays, perhaps because

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people will will not do a day
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property. Um. But yeah,
I it's a very complicated it's such a

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comp it's like there's too many variables, right. It's like kind of like

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you're looking at complex systems, right. Complex systems are very hard to predict.

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I think this is a pretty complex
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how it's going to work out.
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Universal fashion. I don't think there's
much of a target, not not because

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of their quality, but just because
of the mystique. You know that the

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Disney brand carries with it in terms
of you know, the polished and whatnot,

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and you know, it's definitely something
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the Pride example, I mean he
gave this presentation like immediately before the Disney

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and Pride event. I mean it
was it was clear there was a parallel

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there, you know, and when
you look at Universal handling. We talked

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about this, but you know,
Universal did a Pride event this year,

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but their version was, oh,
we're going to partner with La Pride,

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the official La Pride, and let
them do it. It's really their event

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and they're handling it and they're doing
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it's like, you know, the I

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think they're staying on that. I
think they're they're being very careful of the

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line that they're treading in terms of
not wanting to step into any of those

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puddles, and there's kind of like
let Disney deal with it. Yeah,

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they're they're they're keeping their head down. I get it. I get it.

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it for what we've got to talk

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about this. Actually it's not.
We've got tons more to talk about,

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but that's as far as time.
So thank you again, so very much

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for for listening and or watching.
Um, I have discovered in my in

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my in my recent outreachings and travels
within the States now that I've been back,

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that there's a whole bunch of people
who don't know about our show.

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So if you are listening, if
you are listening, and you know our

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show and you like our show,
don't think that everybody has the same the

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same knowledge that you do. Please
share the green tag word because um,

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I've been I've been spreading you know, more and more information about the show

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out to people that I'm working with, and they're like, oh, I

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love that, and then they'll come
back to me and say where have you

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been? We're here, so please
help us get the word out as well

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as you know our growing you know
video collections, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

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So so tell somebody today that your
assignment this week is to tell somebody

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about green Tag Theme Park in thirty
and if everybody does it and everybody listens,

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we will double our listenership in one
week. That would be wonderful.

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It would be great, would be
great anyway, on behalf of Philip Hernandez

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with Gantem Lighting and the Haunted Attraction
Network and myself Scott Swenson with Scot Swinson

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Creative Development. This is green Tag
Theme Park in thirty and we will see

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you next week