April 19, 2026

Six Flags Brings Back Park Presidents at 10 Parks

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Six Flags is reinstating park president positions at 10 of its parks, less than a year after eliminating the role. This is the first major structural change under new CEO John Reilly, who, after his listening tour, described a chain that suffered from inconsistent standards and a lack of accountability after the 2024 Cedar Fair merger. When you lose a park president, you lose accountability and coherent differentiation planning. Corporate can drive real economies of scale, but corporate don't always know what's happening inside an individual park. Then, Canada's Wonderland has made its chaperone policy permanent for guests 15 and under, citing incidents of teen takeovers at other venues. Bored kids cause trouble, and while this policy isn’t the worst, it’s not the solution we need.

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00:00 Intro
00:30 Six Flags Brings Back Park Presidents
17:03 Canada's Wonderland has made its chaperone policy permanent

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Okay from our studios this week in Los Angeles and Tampa.

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This is Green Tagged Theme Park and thirty. I'm Philip

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from Ganta Mighty and Controls that I'm joined as always

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by my delightful co host Scott Swinson of Scott Swinson

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Great Development. On Green tag we look at the top

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news each week and we pick the stories we think

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matter most theme entertainment professionals and we explain what it

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means the impact for them.

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We ask questions and try and have a good discussion.

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And this week we are back to six Flags because

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they have some exciting news in that they are bringing

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back their park presidents at ten of their properties.

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And I know, just Scott really wants to talk about this, No,

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I just I just.

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Find it interesting that six Flags. You know, we see

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six Flags going through kind of the microcosm of a

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theme park lifespan. You know, they've they've they've broken up,

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they've they've expanded, they've contracted, they've come together, they've joined

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somebody else, and now they're going they've.

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Got rid of anybody, lost some people, yeah, lots of.

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People, and they let people go and then they brought

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in new people and then so it really, I mean,

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quite honestly, this could be a whole university course just

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in tracking what the hell happened with with six Flags?

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And maybe that would be the name of the class,

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what the hell happened to six Flags? If any of

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you university types out there want to do this class,

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let us know. We'll be happy to help. We've we've

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we've been living it for quite.

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Some time now.

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It seems so yes, yeah, because of course the context

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is as Scott said, you know, not merger. And then

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a few weeks ago they sold the parks, they finalized

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the sale of the multiple parks, and then they had

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a new CEO that came on that replaced Themmerman and

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we have John Relly now as and so I think

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this is kind of the first big thing that the

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new CEO, John Relly, has done, which is to bring

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back these these park presidents.

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And it was funny because I think we.

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Talked about it originally when they got rid of the

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park presidents, and I think was that the silo conversation.

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I think that was a silo conversation.

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It might my biggest issue, My biggest issue when they

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got rid of them was when.

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You lose a park president.

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Then it leaves a control vacuum and it makes the

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in the interior workings of a park siloed. So it

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very much was the or very much could have been

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the silo conversation. But you have the internal workings of

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the park all compete. You have merchandise competing with culinary,

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competing with entertainment, competing with rides, and operations competing with

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human resources. There's no there's no buck stops here kind

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of voice. And you know the argument is, well, that

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comes from the corporate side, But the downside of that

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is the corporate side doesn't necessarily know what's happening in

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the park itself, because you know, these these organizations and

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conglomerations that own parks in many, many, many different locations

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like six Flags, they may know what is great for

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the parks in theory, but there's always going to be

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those anomalies. And you know, I know that Six Flags

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Great America, for example, runs very very differently than Caro Wins.

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You know, they they have they have a different a

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different audience, they have a different basically a different climate

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both physically and business wise. So you kind of have

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to have somebody with boots on the ground making those decisions,

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and I think this is I think this is a

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great I think this is a great step forward. I

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I I firmly support this.

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Yeah, I didn't really I realized I didn't read the

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list of the parks or anything. We just kind of

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jumped into it. But basically, yes, they're bringing back ten.

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And it's interesting because this has not been formally announced

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in a press release or adjusted online or any sort

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of any anything officially. This actually came from an exclusive

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interview that we don't know who actually gave the interview,

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was just a source source at six Flags that was

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given to the Orange County Register, right, And so supposedly

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this week we're gonna maybe get the official statement posted somewhere.

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Probably as soon as we record and post this video,

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it'll they'll they'll make their announcement officially. But so the

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ten parks are Canada's Wonderland, Carowin's, Cedar Point, King's Island,

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not Six Flives, Great America, Great Adventure, Magic Mountain, and

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Georgia and Texas. A few other tidbits that came out

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from the Six Flags officials when they were talking to

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the Orange County Register is that Raffi is going to

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return back to not Sbury Farm as VPM park manager.

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And then the.

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Previous park president from Caro Wins is actually moving to

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six Flags Magic Mountain, so Brian is moving from Carowins

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to Magic Mountain. And of course, as I mentioned, comes

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just a few weeks after they closed the final sale

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of the the the six parks to EPR properties. And

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notably missing from that list is six Flags, Fiesta Texas.

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And King's Dominion.

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They are not on the list, or Fiesta Texas not

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Over Texas, but yesa Texas and King's Dominion are missing

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from this kind of park property list. And there are

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a lot of people with a lot of opinions as

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to why that might be. Most of them center around

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it's a potential sale or something because those have received

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a lot of capital investment recently, and then they're not

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on this list. So it also could just be that

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we don't have the official announcement out yet and maybe

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they're put on there but they haven't. I mean, there's

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a bunch of other reasons. It could be for that,

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but too as well. But and it's just interesting because

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I looked back at when we covered John Riley and

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his little listening tour right, and in his listening tour

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he talked about how he described a chain that had

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suffered from inconsistent standards and the lack of accountability across parks,

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you know after the merger.

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That's exactly what Scott just said.

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There's the lack of accountability of a person, you know,

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at the park level. And I think originally, way back

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over a year ago, when Scott and I first talked

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about them removing the park presidents, we did leave open

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the possibility that it would be a good thing because

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in theory it might be able to kind of help

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some changes get implemented faster. But clearly it didn't work

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because when John Riley went around you can, I mean

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see he said it there's a lack of accountability. So

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I think it ended up being more what Scott just said,

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where there wasn't the buck stops here at the local level,

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and that has caused this confusion. And so this is

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so I think this is all logical. Like he went,

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he did a listening tour, he talked about it. Now

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he's implementing this, and I think even the park choices

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are logical because if you look at even the conjuring experience,

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which I keep parping about because it was I think

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it's a I think it's a.

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Good future path for them.

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But if you look at that caron Cedar Point, Kings Island,

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Cansiwondia Land, they're all they're all mapped to these ten parks.

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So I think that looking at these ten parks is

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probably a good indicator of where six Flags at least

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thinks they have the most growth potential or earnings potential,

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and they're looking at these ten And the choice to

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bring the Caroins over to Match Mountain is also interesting

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because that is one of the ones that probably has

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the most potential because it's in the solcale market and

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it underperforms so and it also has a complete lack

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of any sort of identity or anything.

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It's just sort of like a coaster park.

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And I think also it's this idea like Scott has

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talked about in the past of how do you make

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the park differentiated locally, And in order to do that,

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you have to have a coherent vision, and you need

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to have a leader that brings the.

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Team to that vision and has.

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A strong understanding of what the local demographic is, has

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a strong understanding of you know what, when people like,

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for example, and I think what I think is interesting

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is that they that Magic Mountain and not I realize

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it's a very it's a very congested market. I understand that,

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but in essence could be considered competitors to one another,

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even though they're owned by the same by the same company.

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But they could very easily be considered competitors to one another.

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But in places like uh, well, I might speak to

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to six Flags Great America only because that's the park

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I grew up in and just recently went back to,

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and with six Flags Great America, there's not a ton

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of theme park competition in that part of the of

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the the country, so they they have always been kind

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of the only game in town. I think the closest

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thing they've got as far as competition goes is and

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it's not really even competition, but it's Great Wolf Lodge,

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which is the the water park hotel that is right

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across literally across the highway. But what ends up happening

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is they kind of have a hand in hand working

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symbiosis because people go and stay there, and that way

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Great America doesn't have to have their own hotel. But

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there is a shuttle, so you know, there's there's all

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kinds of unique, unique situations that I think need to

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be addressed on the local level.

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I guess that's my point.

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Is that you know, the the the park presidents for

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for Nots and Magic Mountain need to be in very

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close conversation with one another so that they're not trying

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to compete with one another. They may find that there

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are there is a symbiotic relationship that may help them

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from a financial standpoint. But if you don't have any

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park presidents, there's nobody there who's going to say that.

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There's nobody there who's going to be able to explore that.

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And the six Flags the Great America Park. Sorry, I'm

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just so used to calling it six Flags just because

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that's what it became. Finally, but Great America the uh,

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they don't have to necessarily be as in tune with

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or strategically planned with other park presidents, but they do

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need to understand what are our local alliances. How can

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we get people out of the city up north to

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the to the park itself.

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How do we pull from.

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The surrounding you know, the surrounding states, because they're not

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that far from you know, two other states that they

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could actually pull attendance from, so they all have their

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own unique individual challenges, and to have a park president

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and each of these locations makes the most sense to me.

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I think, well, I agree with that all one hundred percent.

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But I'm wondering to Scott if you have any other

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like lived experiences or examples from maybe when you were

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doing Bush, because it's a little bit similar where you

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had you know, well, I guess you it was before

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the Sea World thing, but you know, I mean you

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have bushes there and then SeaWorld is right sort of

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tangentially really, but it's sort.

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Of like.

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In terms of how that park president even helped even

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with seasonal events and having somebody there that's kind of

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guiding because we saw that with six Flags last season,

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right where that when you have just one regional person,

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they're looking at it like everyone has to do Christmas

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or do we get you get these mandates, but then

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they're not localizing it, and so then you could see

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where it wouldn't work in some parks because they're not

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accounting for the weather differences or for the demographic differences.

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So is there anything from your experience working in the

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parks that you Well.

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It's interesting because when I first started over, when I

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first started at Bush Tampa over thirty years ago, it

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was Busch Gardens and SeaWorld operated almost completely independently of

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one another, as did Bush Williamsburg. Then when corporate got

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more and more involved and that they moved more of

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the decision making up to the corporate level, they found

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some great sharing of best practic as they also found

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some economy of scale there when it came to, you know,

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ordering certain things like we knew. For example, the first

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example we all saw and recognized was when our soda cups,

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our paper soda cups had all the parks in the

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system on it. Because what they were able to do

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is and it's a small thing, but what they were

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able to do from the corporate level is to put

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all of those all the parks on one single cup,

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do gigantic orders which drove the per unit cost way down.

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And that was a good thing from the corporate level.

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Where we ran into challenges, based on my experience and

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my opinion, quite honestly, where we ran into challenges is

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when corporate tried to say things like this particular element

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or this particular show, and I'm going to deal with

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that simply because that was when I lived. When I

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was there, worked well here, we should just lift it

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and place it here. And that doesn't always work, you know,

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if you I mean even even in the California parks.

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If you were to take a show from from Magic

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Mountains Halloween event and place it into Nots or vice versa,

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I think it would be horrible. I think it would

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just because they're completely different audiences. At least from my

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preliminary experience, they're very different audiences and they wouldn't particularly

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care for the wonderful show. The show that was a

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huge success in one park wouldn't resonate with someone in another.

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So I think that's where the park presidents come in.

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I think the park presidents can come in to make

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certain that those kinds of economies of scale are being

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handled and every park is getting the most out of it.

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But it also creates a bit of a stop gap

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or a valve to say, Okay, I see that you've

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invested X, Y, and Z in this show, coaster element,

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pick something, and so we won't have to do any

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of the we won't have to do any of the

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beta testing or any of that. We've got it all,

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but it needs to be tweaked this way to come here.

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You know.

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One of the one of the best examples was between

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Bush Williamsburg and Bush Tampa. You know, they tried to

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they literally tried to take coasters originally and just remount

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them same, theming, same everything, and and there was huge

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pushback from the park presidents actually, who said, no, that's

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not our brand. And considering that one park was European

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themed and the other one was African themed, you know,

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it just it just made zero sense. There there were

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even situations where and this was catastrophic, but there's and

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I think everybody who's been involved in theme park for

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any length of time knows this story.

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But the whole Drakenfire debacle.

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When the Drake and Fire coaster was originally designed, it

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was designed for Florida, but then the corporate decision was

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made and I'm sure that a park president probably I'm

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sure the park president Tampa was really pissed off about it,

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and the one in Williamsburg was thrilled, but it got

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moved to Williamsburg without changing the design challenge there. It

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gets cold in Williamsburg, So that's why that coaster was

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removed because they couldn't get the lubrication right in the

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wheels and it created too much friction when it got cold.

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So it's one of those situations where you need those

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You need those those decision makers with boots on the

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ground in the location at the park so that they

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can help facilitate the economy of scale, help facilitate the

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best practices throughout the corporation, but also speak to the

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uniqueness of the park so that you don't get force

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fit with something that worked like crazy in another park,

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but it ain't gonna work here.

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So yep, yep, yeah, I tend to agree with that.

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I mean, there is a lot to the best practices,

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like the idea that we we key coming back to

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this idea where we talk about Christmas is a good

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money maker, Halloween's a good money maker. But how those

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things manifest in your park, you need somebody at the

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you know, that sits at the center of Otherwise, like

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you're saying, there's the power vacuum, and so each of

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the departments is going to have a different perspective on it,

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but you need that person who can take that best

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practice and decide how it should be implemented at their

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individual park right and then tap into economies of scale

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where needed.

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Yeah, there needs to be excuse me, a, I think

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the park president needs to be a mediator amongst the

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departments so that everyone feels as though they are being

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heard and recognized. They need to reach they need, So

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that's managing down for them. They also need to manage

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up to the corporate level to make certain that they

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are part of the economy of scale and that their

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needs are heard. And then sometimes they just have to

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be the one who makes the final call saying you

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know what, that's not going to work here because of X.

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Y or Z yep, yep, Okay, well we can, I think,

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move on unless you have anything else to say. No

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more six Flags, No no, no, We're going to stay

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at six Flags, but do a different story. Okay, meanwhile

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elsewhere at six Flags, elsewhere. So this was something we

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didn't talk about for a few weeks, but I thought

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this was a good chance to bring it back up.

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Is that Kennon's Wonderland has made their chaperon policy permanent

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for children fifteen and under.

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And that's basically the whole story. But I can tell you, okay,

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moving on our next story from.

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No, yeah, they seem to. So this was something we

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haven't talked too much about it just because I was

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kind of waiting for a big six flags discussion to

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bring it in. But this has been going on. We've

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seen this for Halloween for a while where they had

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this chaperon policies that come into effect and then they

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come out of effect. And then recently we've been hearing

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or I've been reading more news reports about like teen

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takeovers and it seems like I don't want to like

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belittle it because I'm sure, yeah, anyway, I just think

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it's a little funny. But that's probably because I'm not

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in the middle of it. But anyway, so this has

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been happening at multiple venues around the around North America,

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where they are teams that are planning takeovers of places

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of an attraction and then they'll go and then like

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swarm the attraction and then sometimes it leads to fight

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or property damage. And so now there's been this like

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movement where there's people will call into the Shrif's tip

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line in different places and they'll hear about it whatever.

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So that's the context and then Cana is Wonderland cited

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some of that context as to why they're kind of

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trying to keep this this chaperone policy permanent. But as

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we've talked about in the past, it's sort of like,

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I'm not sure about the viability because it says each

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chaperone can supervise up to ten young guests per day.

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You think you can chaperone ten like tweens effectively that

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you are mistaken in that, But I don't know, I guess,

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So what do you think about this idea of like

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this backlash to these like teen takeovers. Of course, team

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this is has been a real thing. We've report on

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it for years during Halloween, especially where teams cause problems

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in the parking lot or they you know whatever, nonsense.

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But this seems again like we're just trying to the

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wrong incentives. Right, they're set up to to fix this,

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But what do you think about this whole mass of

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chaperones and teen teen takeovers and and.

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Blah think I think I think this is a much

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bigger problem than chaperones.

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Yep, that's that's just my that's my that's my opening statement.

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I think that the whole concept, you know, we we've

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all it's it's the whole idea of uh be there or.

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Wish you had.

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You know that kind of approach that is happening, and

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that is being and has been for years, uh propagated

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through social media that you know, it's it used to be.

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You know, it used to be there'd be a hidden

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rave party that someone would take over and do lots

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of drugs in a warehouse somewhere on a beach somewhere

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and then go home. But yeah, now I remember, yeah,

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well if you remembered it, then you weren't really participating.

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But the.

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That sounds also right, Yeah, yeah, you were taking.

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Video of it with a big Beta max camera and

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so anyway, yeah, no, but the but the idea of

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that going into something that is is violent or creates

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property damage, I don't I don't quite understand it, and

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I therefore don't have a great solution for it. So

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I'm thinking that at least putting in some sort of

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chaperone policy, it's a start. I agree with you, Philip,

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I don't think it's the best solution, but I'm not

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certain what kinds of what kinds of proactive nature could

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be could be done. I mean, I see this so recently.

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I was in Knoxville doing some work for the zoo there,

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and I went to a mall for dinner one night,

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just by myself, and it was a Saturday night, and

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it was filled with exactly this age kid and they're

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just hanging out and they're not I didn't see anybody

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causing any problems, but they're just hanging out. But I

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could certainly see that if if one person started started

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a post on on one of on Insta saying, you know,

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we're all gonna meet at the meet of the food

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court and be there you wish you had been, you

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know that kind of thing, and you had five people

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who had planned to just trash the place. I don't

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see how anybody. I mean, And there's security patrols in

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the mall, and there's police force in.

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The mall, and.

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I mean anecdotally, I have heard stories and I cannot

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confirm these, but I have heard stories that major retailers

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the reason many of them are pulling out of the

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malls is they just don't like They just don't like

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the mall mentality. They don't like the clientele that the

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malls are bringing in, which are primarily tweens and early teens,

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and so you know, like, for example, when I walked

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by and I thought about this as I walked by

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the Apple store in the mall in Knoxville.

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It was packed.

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It was packed with thirteen fourteen, fifteen year old kids

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who had no intention of purchasing anything in there, but

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were testing out every single thing and sometimes not quite

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so tenderly preaching pretty much everything on display in the

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Apple store. So you take that in a shopping situation

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and then expand it into a theme park situation where

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we're already getting people's adrenaline levels up. They're already excited

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to be there. They're usually there to, you know, prove something.

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I'm cool enough or strong enough to ride the coaster,

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or I can do this, or I can walk around

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with some big ass animal that will sell in a

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garage sale in twenty years.

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You know, I don't.

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I have no idea what the answer is. I do

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think that simply getting simply getting more adults who are

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responsible for the behavior of these children is I don't

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think it's a solution. I think it's a stopgap measure

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at best, but at the very least, because you can't

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you know, we've talked about this before. You can't prosecute

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children the same way you.

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Can prosecute an adult.

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And if you have, if you have these adults who

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are legally responsible for these children, you know, I would

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not take on the responsibility as a chaperone to take

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care of what what did you say?

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Ten?

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Yeah, Well that's the thing too. It's I don't maybe

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I just old. But it's like you can be twenty

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one or older. So you could have a twenty one

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year old brother who's watching you know, ten tweens. That's

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just not that's not a thing. I mean, that's not that.

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I mean, that's not that's but.

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The twenty one year old brother though, can be charged.

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Then yeah, I guess that's that's if the kids, if

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the miners are do something illegal.

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Yeah, and again back to the thing I thought was

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most attractive. This well, exactly, so exactly this, This is

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where it gets into all these weird logistics.

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And then also the park said the policy.

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Wasn'd in response to unreally behavior seen at other amusement

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parks entertainment venues, So this is not in a reaction

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to something had happened there. It's like I said, it's

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this backdrop of it sort of feels a little bit

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like a moral panic in a way, or just a

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little bit like you know where it's like, there are

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you know, people calling sheriff tip lines to be like,

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the kids are gonna swarm the trampoline parket at dusk,

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you know, I mean, it's sort of this weird little thing.

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And then in response to that, this theme park is

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adding back in a chaperon policy. And to your point,

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just now, how are they tracking it? How are you

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even enforcing this twenty one year old is gonna be

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chaperoning these you know ten.

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And how do you even know that this is that

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this is the chaperone?

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You know? What do you do? Do you when you

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when you.

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So say, say I'm a twelve year old child, which

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is kind of the way I think most of the time.

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But say I'm a twelve year old child. And I

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go over and I and I me and three of

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my buddies decide we're gonna pull over a signpost. So

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we break over it. We pull a sign post out

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of the ground and throw it on the ground and

477
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run off and I get caught.

478
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So what are they do? Have me call?

479
00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:03.480
You know, they asked me, who's my chaperone. What if

480
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I say I don't have one? What if I say

481
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:08.000
I don't have one? Then what happens?

482
00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:12.599
Yeah, that's one? Yeah, because that goes back to their

483
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:15.759
entrance policy. Yeah, you know, and if it is it

484
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:16.519
that you all have to.

485
00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:19.000
Enter together, okay, but then you don't have to stay

486
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together once you're in the park.

487
00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:23.839
Well then they said that the best day after that's right,

488
00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:26.839
they said to stay after four pm. But exactly to

489
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your point, so are they are they putting little like

490
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wristband trappers on that? Like how are they gonna if

491
00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:34.720
you entering at ten am and then you're staying in

492
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the whole day? You didn't need to enter with the

493
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chaperone at ten so it you know, it's only after four.

494
00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:45.920
So are they doing park wide sweeps to check or

495
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:50.519
are they stopping random teens like the entire night and being.

496
00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:56.480
Like, where's your chaperone? I don't know, I mean, I

497
00:26:57.279 --> 00:26:59.240
don't know. I mean I probably shouldn't have called. If

498
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anyone's listening.

499
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:03.839
If anyone's listening, who knows how this works at Canada's Wonderland?

500
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.799
Let us know, because I don't. I don't see how.

501
00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:10.599
I don't see how I think the I think the

502
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:13.240
concept is right, I think the implementation.

503
00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:16.680
Seems to me like it'd be very difficult. Let me

504
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:17.240
put it that way.

505
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:20.519
Yeah, it's easier for Halloween because it's the entire duration

506
00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:22.799
of the event, and it's a separately ticketed event, so

507
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:25.039
it is like you have a definitive open and a close.

508
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:27.319
You can check tickets, you can check chaperone, you can

509
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:30.039
have people and even then I know because I've been

510
00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:32.720
to Knots, I've been to these parks, to six Flags

511
00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:36.400
when during Halloween, when they're supposedly chaperon, even then it

512
00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:39.720
doesn't work because there's so many people in the park

513
00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:43.440
and there's so few staff that it just you might

514
00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:46.759
have the chaperone for when you enter, but then everyone

515
00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:50.720
just scatters and the rest of the time you're they're

516
00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:53.480
just I mean, it's just it's not possibly. It's like

517
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:55.440
I gain, it's back to that thing. If you wanted

518
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:58.079
it to be like, honestly, the way to do it

519
00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:00.400
would be to just not sell tickets to them.

520
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:02.240
That would be the only way to do it.

521
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:04.400
But the parks don't want to do that because they

522
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:06.880
want the money, and so you gotta and.

523
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:08.119
Who is who is the.

524
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:13.400
Who is the highest market for roller coasters, thrill rides

525
00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:14.000
and haunt events.

526
00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:14.839
That's exactly right.

527
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:17.480
So I sort of feel like that the theme parks

528
00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:22.680
are like, I don't Again, I think it's gonna upset

529
00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:24.440
a lot of people, but I just want to I'm like,

530
00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:27.200
this is your market. You need to figure the second

531
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:30.720
demo target target demo and or just don't settle them

532
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.240
and change your target target like or just be like

533
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:35.759
you can't even come into the park unless you are

534
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:39.240
over sixteen, and we can't go to Halloween unless you're

535
00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:42.200
over sixteen, and then just make the experience better. It's

536
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:45.440
this weird tension we've been talking about forever right where

537
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:46.079
like that.

538
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:48.559
But I mean, let's go, let's go back in time.

539
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:51.400
How many of you listening can remember when you could

540
00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:52.759
enter a theme park without going through.

541
00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:55.559
A metal detector? That's true, I can't.

542
00:28:56.440 --> 00:29:01.480
I remember that metal detectors. What I remember the first

543
00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:03.839
time I went through one. It was the very first

544
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:09.880
time I went to Halloween Haunt at NOTTS. I was like, what,

545
00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:11.240
I have to go through a what?

546
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:12.759
Yeah? Wow?

547
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:15.960
What is this a high security prison? But now it's

548
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:21.680
common practice. Now it happens everywhere and it doesn't happen

549
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:24.359
at conventions. Actually, Sonning, you say, now, I was actually

550
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:27.000
thinking the last convention I was at that, I thought

551
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:29.519
it was weird that we didn't go through a metal detector,

552
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:31.720
like when I went to the last time I've been

553
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:34.880
to the Animal anim Convention Center, you know, for wonder

554
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:39.000
connor for even San Diego Comic Con, huge enormous conventions.

555
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:42.160
Mm hmm, no detector is no security. And then one

556
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:44.079
of my friends is like, you only think that because

557
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:44.799
you're American.

558
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:52.559
Hmm. I mean, and.

559
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:54.960
Tampa Comic Con had to go through a metal detector.

560
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:55.920
Yea.

561
00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:58.960
So it's it's one of those It's just one of

562
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:01.200
those situations where I there were a good answer. I

563
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:06.400
think that, you know, without sounding too philosophical or too crotchety,

564
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:09.240
get off my lawn kind of old guy. I think

565
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:12.920
the challenge is the demographic. What that demographic represents has changed,

566
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:16.279
and I think that if there is any way to

567
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:20.359
keep these kids involved so much in what they're doing

568
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:21.640
that they don't have time.

569
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:24.200
To get into trouble, I don't know. I just don't know.

570
00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:26.279
I don't know what the answer is, but hopefully you

571
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.279
guys will start some great conversations about it on social

572
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.039
and we'll read them and then we'll know the answers, because,

573
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:34.880
let's face it, we've said from the very beginning, we're

574
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:37.480
not here to spend these thirty minutes answering all the questions.

575
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:39.920
We're just making sure that all the questions are being asked,

576
00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:42.480
so that's all the questions we have are all the

577
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:44.599
time we have to ask questions on this particular show.

578
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.960
So we're going to head off into the great Beyond

579
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and hopefully we will see all of you next week

580
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:54.319
here on Green Tagged Theme Park and thirty