Jan. 6, 2025

When you invent the drone, you also invent the drone crash

Dones collided and crashed during a holiday show in Orlando, injuring a boy and sending shockwaves throughout the industry.

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On December 21, multiple drones from Sky Elements unexpectedly fell during a holiday show at Lake Eola, Orlando, injuring 7-year-old Zander Edgerton, who required open-heart surgery. Following the incident, on December 23rd, the FAA opened an investigation and suspended Sky Elements' Part 107 waiver, halting all night drone flights and shows over populated areas. Investigations by the FAA and NTSB are underway, and Sky Elements has since canceled multiple drone shows nationwide. Universal Orlando Resort removed drones from its nighttime show immediately following the incident. Today - we discuss the ramifications of this drone crash on the attractions and themed entertainment industries.


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Scott there are drones crashing in Florida. We're gonna talk about.

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That today, How Batman, there are drones crashing in Florida.

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Oh right, Oh gosh. This is Green Tag Theme Park

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in thirty. I'm Philip and I'm joined by my co host,

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Scott Swinson of Scott Swinson Crane Development. I'm in Los Angeles,

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Scott's in Tampa. We're recording live from our studios and

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this week, you know, the drones. This is I want

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to say a little bit of an old story. But

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we were gonna wait a little bit because as these

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stories always happen, you know, like there's always a chain

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of events and there's things that unfold as we learn

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more information. So I was trying to wait a little

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bit until we got more information. And we do have

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I think more this week, so it's a good time

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to talk about it.

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So absolutely, yeah.

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I mean, all too often, just because we are so

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bleeding edge, we are so bleeding edge when it comes

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to the news, all too often we will end up

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ending stories story excuse me, stories with well we'll see

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how this pans out, or we'll see how they execute

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it or whatever. So now we have a little bit

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more information and we can we can sell like we

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know a little bit.

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More about what we're like, what we're talking about. You never

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know we're talking about. I don't know what we do.

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We just sit here and talking screen.

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But people listen. So that's good. That's good. We appreciate you.

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All right, So let's talk about let's talk about crashing drone,

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shall we. This is not a funny story, but we're

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both just punchy as hack.

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Oh Jesus, yes, okay, let's get serious, so okay.

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On December twenty first, multiple drones from the sky Elements

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show that was happening during the holiday show at Lake

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Aola in Orlando, Florida. They fell during the holiday show

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and they injured a seven year old boy named Xander,

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who required open heart surgery following the incident. On December

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twenty third, the FAA opened an investigation into the incident

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and suspended sky Elements Part one oh seven waiver, halting

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all night drone flights and flights over populated areas. Investigations

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by the FFA and NTSB are still underway. They haven't

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released any full detailed report about this or what they're

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finding to have been in a few weeks, but they

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just are still underway. So sky Elements, since it lost

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its waiver, has since candled canceled its drone shows at

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multiple venues like the Reunion Tower in Dallas and other

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areas in Florida. I'd say a lot of shows in

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Dallas and Florida and kind of like the South region,

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but it had a lot of shows planned for New

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Year's of course and for Christmas, and so they kind

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of swept through a lot of major attractions. Now, Universal

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Orlando Resort removed their drones from the nighttime senensational show,

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the Lagoon show they have there immediately, so like the

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Next Day Universe, Orlando grounded all of those drones and

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to my knowledge, they remain grounded now while this investigation

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is ongoing. They didn't say that there was a specific

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link between the two, as in, they didn't mention that

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like sky Elements was involved or not. And I don't

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think they are because I believe that Orlando operates them

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themselves with their own team. But they did halt them regardless, and.

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Parks are going to do that because again they can't

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they can't handle the any.

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Sort of the crowd issue. Yeah, well, the liability, liability.

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If God forbid something did happen, it'll be like it

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would be the nail on the coffin for drones and

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Universal smart enough, the Universe team is smart enough to

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recognize that. So they're not gonna They're not gonna run

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that risk.

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So since then, Skylewents has expressed regret and pledge to

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reevaluate its process. But that's basically it. And then uh,

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Xander is fine, now, well fine relatively, he did have

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to have a valve replaced. But the local the local

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community actually is the one that raised the money to

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support the heart surgery through a GoFundMe, which is a

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whole separate conversation about why you know that Skylements or

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somebody else didn't help with that heart surgery and also

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why the insurance company didn't cover it. But that's that's

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a separate podcast. But back to the attractions. So this

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is definitely sent shockwaves through the industry, not just on

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all the shows that they had to cancel, but also

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as you just mentioned about how the other parts that

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are utilizing drones now are like wary about that whole thing.

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And of course Sclements is a reevaluating blah blah. But

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I think what this comes down to, there's a few

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things I thin we can talk about here, But besides

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the impact, it's like, you know, can the FAA really

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regulate these? You know, because fa is notoriously understaffed, and

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then the drones have the technology around them has really

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advanced right over so much over the time, so can

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they how much? You know, I mean, how realistic is that?

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And the big thing that we all know that we've

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been I mean that all of us in the industry,

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even the person that sent this over to us, talked

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about is that the big thing with the drones is

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like fireworks, that they really just.

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Have safety zones.

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You know, they have to have x amount of space

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between the drones and the people. So that's a big

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question that I have, which we're not I probably not

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can know the answer for a while.

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I guess is.

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Were those safety zones intact and they were just wrong?

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Or was the family standing outside the safety zones? Or

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was that were the drones outside the safety zones? Or

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was it some weird amalgamation, which is more what I

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think it is. I think it might be like a

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mix of like the drones drifted plus because potentially with

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the safety zones right, like, you're relying on the crowds

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to like the operations team to make sure the crowds

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are in the right place. I think that's always a

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big problem with events that are not theme parks, in

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that theme parks have physical barriers, but when you're setting

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these things up in places they don't have, it's just

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a lake, you could you can walk twenty feet past

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the tape or whatever.

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Anyway, that's my thing, Scott telling me.

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Well, yeah, no, that's absolutely true, and I mean even

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I think it's I think it's interesting that you made

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the connection right away, because that was what I was

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going to do first, was the connection between fireworks and drones.

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Everyone was thinking that drones were going to be the

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replacement for fireworks, which I've said from the get go

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they are not. And what we've seen now is, you know,

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as the technology and the implementation continues, we're seeing drones

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as an addition to fireworks. You know, you mentioned universal

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that show. They are used pretty much like a slide

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show in the middle of a giant fireworks and light

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and water show. So that's that's one element that I

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think is important to recognize is and to make things

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even more interesting than the technology that I've seen most

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recently are the drones that now fire fireworks from them.

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So it's just but it's really no different than when

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fireworks started to become very popular in parks. There was

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a lot of there's a lot of safety elements that

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have to go into it. I know that you know Disney,

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for example, They've got this down to a science with fireworks,

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to the point where you know, if the wind is

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blowing so much a certain direction, they know exactly where

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to clear. They know they can and I know this

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from having managed stage man not stage managed, but project

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managed enough firework shows at Bush. The moment the wind shifts,

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there has to be real time changes made to how

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you fire fireworks, which which shells you can and cannot fire.

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We used to design shows, for example, firework shows that

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had that had low, medium and high shells, so that

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if the wind got above a certain level we would

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cut we would immediately. There was a stop button where

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we just cut the high shells and the rest of

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the show fired as as planned. I don't know enough

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about drones to be able to say that that's exactly

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what can happen here. I have been involved with a

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couple of different drone shows. One of them was at

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SeaWorld in Abu Dhabi, and I know that the one

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of the biggest concerns they had was.

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Not only.

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What they were flying over, but the proximity that they

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flew to each other. Now I don't know what happened

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at Lake Yola. I don't know exactly whether they collided,

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whether it blow you know, as you say, did it

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blow off?

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Did it blow off? Course?

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Was there a programming or a guidance failure of some sort,

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I don't know. But one of the other issues that

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we have to at least throw in, and I know

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this only because again I was involved with the show,

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is that there was a specific ruling as to the

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proximity they could be to one another, so that if

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one did get too close, it did one of two things.

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There was a risk of collision, of course, and the

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second was that one might pick up the other's radio signal.

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Basically it's control, so two would become one and that's

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not good. But I think that this is another I

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think this is another stumbling block. And I do not

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mean to be cold hearted towards Zander or his family

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at all, or anyone who may have any mishaps from

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a drone show. But it's also we have to look

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at this as this is new technology. It's going to

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have to have new rules. We're going to have to

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continue to develop, just like we did with fireworks. We're

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going to have to continue to develop to develop rules

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and laws and expectations because you know, we've all heard

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that drones. You know, the endgame for drones is clearly

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not theme park shows. The endgame for drones that I've

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seen is Uber basically, so that or delivery for packages

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and that sort of thing. So for that kind of drone,

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obviously I think the FAA does have to be involved

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because that's not flying even over private property. That's flying

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over multiple layers of private property, it's flying over state

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and government owned property, It's flying everywhere. So when it

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comes to can the FAA or should the FAA be involved,

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there's no question in my mind they should be involved

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in that regard. Anything that carries a payload. Any drone

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that carries a human being or for example, carries fireworks

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should probably fall under FAA. Now can they do it,

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I don't know the answer that that you bring up

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a very good point, Philip. They're they're understaffed and we

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all know it. So so that's so that's a challenge there.

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But as far as impact on the industry, I think

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that it is I won't say it is a nail

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in the coffin, but I think it is definitely a

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red flag. And I think it would be irresponsible for

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parks not to go back and reevaluate their safety protocols

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uh and reevaluate the safety protocols of the outside companies

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that are that are doing these because you know, only

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the Gymungo parks have the.

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Ability to do.

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To do the the to do their own drones. You know,

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most most parks and most most organizations will use an

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outside contractor because they just don't have this, the the

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manpower or the expertise to do this in house, unless

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you happened to be one of the big boys, one

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of the big parts. This also raises a very interesting

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question for me, and that is the flying dragon that

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we've seen tested for EPIC, is that going to fall

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under FAA because it's not over a controlled environment. It's

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my understanding is it flies over guests. Now, I don't

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know that yet because obviously the park hasn't opened, but

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looking at the way they're testing it, it looks like

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it's flying over inhabited land. So I just think it's,

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like I said, I don't want to overreact to this.

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I think it is a terrible thing that happened. It

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should not have happened. And I think even you know,

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and the even sky elements would say, well, absolutely, this

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should not have happened. They're going to be on the

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side of safety as well, because they recognize if drone

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shows are considered unsafe or illegal or requires so much

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sanction or so much permitting or so much insurance, and

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we'll talk about that in a second, then their company

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goes under, you know, they they so they're going to

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be interested in in safety as well. It's just like

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everybody gets mad at theme parks when there's severe weather

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and they close down rides. Well, that's that's out of safety.

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That's not just a piss off guests, you know.

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That is that is a that is a safety issue,

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not just to save money and piss off people.

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Yeah, exactly exactly. So I think we'll I think we'll

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have to.

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See what, uh, what's going to happen here. But this incident,

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I will tell you right now, this incident has just

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made every single drone show significantly more expensive to run,

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and not because of the staffing, not because of the

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over you know, the regulatory oversight, but simply because of

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the insurance liability. Insurance says. Now, I'm sure, I am

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sure skyrocketed for drone shows. And my guess is, and

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this is just a guess, but my guess is that

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it's going to be.

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It's going to be regional.

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My guess is that Flowlorida will because it happened here,

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Florida will be extra extra cautious because you know, it

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was on the front page of all the all the newspapers.

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It was the top of Spectrum Spectrum Bay News nine,

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both in Orlando and in Tampa and in Miami. And

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so again, I don't think this is a nail on

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the coffin, but it does. It does open up some

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some very interesting follow up that is going to need

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to be done. And as you know, as you said, Philip,

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we kind of we kind of held this off for

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a little bit so that we could get to see

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what that follow up was going to be.

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And you know, you ask.

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Why didn't you asked, why didn't the insurance or the

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sky Elements or whatever immediately just come in and take

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care of the injury. That makes me think that they

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were able to prove that there was some and I'll

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put this in giant air quotes, fault on behalf of

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Xander and his family.

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Oh oh, somehow.

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He wasn't somehow they weren't in the safe zone or somehow,

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And I don't know that I'm guessing. I'm spitballing here,

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but you know, I know how insurance works, and if

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they can prove that that someone in that chain was negligent,

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they will kick it to them.

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Yep.

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Which is part of the reason, by the way, that

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that roller coasters shut down in Lightning. Because the theme

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parks when they build roller coasters, all the major parks,

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they all of the liability goes back to the manufacturer.

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So they are required to follow the manufacturers rules and

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regulations for all of their attractions and all of their rides.

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They don't, you know, Six Flags doesn't make up the

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rules for their coasters. The manufacturer makes up the rules

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for the coasters. Six Flags chooses to if they If

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they break those rules, then six Flags becomes liable if

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anything goes wrong, if if they follow those rules, then

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it goes back to the manufacturer. Yep, ye, six Flags.

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That's true of all the parks. I'm not picking on.

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Six Flags, No, it's true outside.

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I mean, we just had something recently also with Cantum

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where we just had to explain that to somebody. We're like,

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you know, the it's like the end person. The person

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that's using it in this case, the theme park or

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the theme place, I think you know, is using it improperly,

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which is avoid you know, avoiding of the warranty because

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you're you're using the improt doesn't matter who bought it,

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but the person who's using it is using it improperly,

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you know. And that's what we look too oftentimes. That's

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why I wonder in like you're saying, I'm wonder in

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a lot of these situations, you always wonder because so

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much what we do with theme parks, I don't know.

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I know this is a gross over simplification, but it

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comes down to people who may or may not be

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well trained. I just always think of like six Flags

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and like the kids reheating burger patties or the people

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loading stuff and you're like, you know, it really comes

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down to the people who may or may not you know,

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be really understand, like you tell them, you know, this

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is how you're supposed to operate this thing, and you

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don't really explain, well, it's because if.

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You are, you know, then their safety and there're just boding.

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But you know it was the first thing that is

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cut usually in theme park budgets is training.

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So hmm yeah, so yeah, that's that's why.

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So it's interesting, you know, you bring up a lot

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of elements and I am very interested about the insurance element.

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And uh but I think so we will know eventually

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where you know, whether who was at fault. You know,

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eventually it's going to come out because it's too big

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of a story for them to kind of lock it away.

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So eventually we're going to know was it the local

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you know, like the ops team, Like I'm saying, the

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ops team, you know when they guide people into areas

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to stand, you know, were they not doing that properly

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or any of these or you know that, or was

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it the family who got out of that area somehow,

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or was it the drone or wherever?

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We're going to know.

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It's point but I think regardless, no matter what happens

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with the outcome of this, I agree with you that

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the cost of the shows is going to go up

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in the short term, and I don't because it's not

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going to matter. Really, I think to your point, it's

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not going to matter, or I believe this is your point,

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it's not going to matter who is was at fault

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because it was such a big story.

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The cost is going to go no matter what. It's proven.

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Now it is proven that people can get injured at

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drone shows.

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Yes, yeah, and so there's no way.

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Let's be completely honest. Let's be completely honest. People can

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get injured driving a car.

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Yes.

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So you know one of the things when you get

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your first car, you say up enough money to buy

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your first car, and then all of a sudden you realize,

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oh crap, I haven't spent how much on insurance.

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So so that's an interesting thing. I think for our listeners.

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One of the big takeaways is, no matter what happens,

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it's going to be more expensive to drone shows, and

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in the short term at least, there's going to be

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a lot of of like, you know, this whole thing

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about waiting to see what regulations are updated, and this

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whole like uncertainty, But I do believe that in the

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long term that will settle down and much like fireworks

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will get into a rhythm.

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Where it'll probably always be more expensive.

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Like the price that's going to up to right now

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in this crazy regulatory jump, that's probably going to be

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relatively where it's going to stay until we get to

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the point where jones become as you know, cheap as

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like batteries, in which case, like I think you'll get

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a little bit of price reduction. But the regulations what's

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going to be expensive. The insurances what's going to be expensive,

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and I think that's going.

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To be and fire future fireworks have been the same way.

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You know, the technology in fireworks has people don't think

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about it, but has improved thousands and thousands of percent

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since they since it was some guy with a match

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lighting off a rocket that shot up in boom. You know,

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the technology there is. They know exactly where those things

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are going to go. They know that they have programs

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that will and AI that will show them here's where

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it's going to go. If the win blowing at this speed,

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here's what's going to go. If the winds goes at

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this speed. And you know, we don't hear very often

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about injuries knock wood because because of fireworks. But I

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remember as a kid, and this is going, you know,

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since I'm old, this is going way way back. I

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remember as a kid being on a beach and having

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fall out because the wind changed from a land breeze

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to an ocean breeze, and they were shooting them out

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over the water, and all of a sudden, there are

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fireballs as big as my head. Now is smaller than

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so it's probably that big. But fireballs as big as

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my head coming down on the beach and people are

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just grabbing their blankets and run into the car.

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Yeah, you know, so it is.

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It's not something that's going to be insurmountable. I don't

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want to make more of it than is necessary, but

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it is going to have to go through that same

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sort of difficult growth process most drones once they like,

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for example, if it's a battery issue, when the batteries

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get down to a certain level, most drones have an

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internal program, not something that's sent from elsewhere, but have

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an internal program that their first response is to get

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back to home. So when they get to if their

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battery starts to drain too quickly and it gets to

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a certain point, the first response is the first programming

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is to go back to their home base. The second

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bit of programming is to well, the ones that I

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worked with are to flash red and drop straight down, slowly,

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slowly descend straight down, flashing red. So I don't know

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whether that was, you know, the way these drones worked.

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I don't know, but it's it's just one of those

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things that you know. Maybe it even comes down to educating,

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educating the audience to say, if you see a drone

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coming straight down and it's flashing red, get out of

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the way.

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Yeah.

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Or you have your staff that will immediately see the

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moment they see a flashing red drone. This is the

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way they did it at C World Abu Dhabi. If

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they saw a flashing red drone, there were three people

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on the floor who would go and clear the space.

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Yeah.

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We're going to learn all that later. But I will

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say having a drone myself and having crashed it and

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sometimes and at least three times in which it had

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to be completely refurbished because it exploded, but I will say.

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That if you weren't lake Iola by any chance right now.

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But you know, I will say, like all those programming

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contingencies are fine, but honestly, like if it crashes, you

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just can't do anything. It just it just it's just gravity.

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So like if these two really did crash into each other,

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the propellers generally the propellers break and then like it's

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not like it can slowly fall and flash red, like

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it just breaks and then it just falls right so

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and it's dark and you can't see it, you know,

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So I don't know, there there's videos about this, you

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know people.

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That's why we had the proximity rule. That's why we

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had the proximity rule.

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But I'm just going to add, just like with fire again,

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fire is such a good thing, just like a fireworks,

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like the thing is there could be things that have

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changed since you cleared the site, right like, so there

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could be potentially birds or some sort of other obstruction

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in the way, or now there could be somebody else's drone,

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like there could be like because I know some I

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don't even want to get into this because it's going

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to be a whole thing, but I know some YouTubers

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you know that send drones out into fireworks to get

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videos of them, and so these I mean, these are

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all things where you're like, okay, well.

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Well because of that, that goes back to yes, then

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the FAA should be involved.

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But they can't regulate those private drones. So you know

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that's I mean, technically they can, like or they're supposed to,

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but there's also like not really a way to stop

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them because.

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Those are no fly zones. Most most most theme parks

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are no fly zones.

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No, no, not not okay bush, But let's say, like

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let's take three steps back. Some theme parks are no

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fly zones. However, where you're flying the drones is not

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necessarily in the no fly zone, and then that brings

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it back to smaller attractions like this. The Lake Aola

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is not I assume it's not a no fly zone,

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or I mean places like La Aola. So I think

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there's slivers because I know some boggers, so I can't

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name names. I know some that have flown. I mean

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there's people that fly over Epic all the time. Oh

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that's really not you.

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Can see that on Well, that doesn't mean that doesn't

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mean that it's not a no fly zone. What it

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means is somebody's doing it and getting away with it.

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So to your point, can the FA actually regulate it

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if they.

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Want to correct?

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And you can fly over no, you can fly over

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parks that are considered no fly zones, but it's you

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have to be above a certain altitude.

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Yep.

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And that was you know, that was the way it

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was a bush when I worked there. That's the way

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it was at Sea World. Disney was that way, Universal

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is that way. So I'm guessing Epic is a no

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fly zone and the stuff that they're getting is either

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flown just outside the perimeter of the ground surface of

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the park or they're breaking the law.

481
00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:05.559
Yeah, well probably, I mean people break I mean, you know,

482
00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:07.079
they do that kind of stuff all the time with you.

483
00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:10.119
But I'm just saying, I mean, there are things you

484
00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:12.480
can't There are a lot of things you can't really

485
00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:14.640
control actually, like as much as you think you can

486
00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:18.640
or whatever. When you're flying drones even you know, I

487
00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:22.160
mean I remember going through an area where there was

488
00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:24.480
a tiny power cable that I didn't see right and

489
00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:26.319
then it just it hit the drone and then it

490
00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:28.920
got tangled and dropped right immediately. I mean, there are

491
00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:31.000
like you know that, So I'm just saying it's possible

492
00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:33.839
for there to be obstructions you didn't predict, even if

493
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:37.000
it's completely free of all things when you first inspect it,

494
00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:39.240
but then suddenly there's a bird, or there's some other

495
00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:41.119
thing in the air that's not supposed to be there,

496
00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:42.480
or there's all sorts of things.

497
00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:44.640
With any sort of and with any sort of commercial filming,

498
00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:47.039
you have to get in most cities, in most towns,

499
00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:47.880
you have.

500
00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:51.880
To get you have to get a good luck enforcing that. Yeah,

501
00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:53.200
I know you're supposed to do.

502
00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:56.319
I understand that, well, but good luck enforcing any law.

503
00:24:56.440 --> 00:24:58.759
I mean, you know, but it may be I can

504
00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:01.200
promise every one of our listeners right now has sped

505
00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:03.279
in their car and not get gotten a ticket.

506
00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:04.200
Yeah, so and.

507
00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:06.680
And and this is my point with the FAA. I'm like, yeah,

508
00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:08.400
they can put the stuff out there, but it's not

509
00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:12.759
really gonna change anything. Like I mean, it may not

510
00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:14.920
even be a filming drone. It could be a uh,

511
00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:17.359
it could be any type of drone like it could

512
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:20.480
it could be just the FPV one.

513
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:21.240
You know that.

514
00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:23.759
Then, like I think this is one of my biggest things.

515
00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:26.039
I bring this up all the time to places where

516
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:29.559
they go like like that. There are some places that

517
00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:30.839
are like, well you can't, mom, you can't fly a

518
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:32.680
drune or X y Z. And I'm like right, like,

519
00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:36.039
I mean, I'm gonna listen to you because I don't

520
00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:38.480
want to cause issues, But what would you do to

521
00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:38.960
stop me?

522
00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:40.160
And the answer is nothing.

523
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:42.319
I guess the issue is if something does happen and

524
00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:44.759
they didn't pull a permit for the drone, then there's

525
00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:49.960
another bit of handslapping that can go on. You know,

526
00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:51.400
if if you had to pull if you had to

527
00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:53.839
pull permits for a drone and it causes an accident

528
00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:57.119
and you find out who was flying the drone that

529
00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:59.640
they didn't have the permit. Yeah, just like you have

530
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:01.880
to have a per for fireworks. I think fireworks is

531
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:04.359
probably the best parallel here. That's I think they and.

532
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:05.200
That's what I mean, you can't.

533
00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:07.640
I think the biggest thing though, is that in this case,

534
00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:10.839
or places that are not the the not large theme parks,

535
00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:15.200
like in this case, there's so much more. I just

536
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:17.000
think of like all my friends that have drones and

537
00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:18.920
how many of them have fpvs and they all like

538
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:20.640
to do crazy shit with it. And you're like, well,

539
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:25.279
guests could have come to the lake and brought drones

540
00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:27.839
and flown them into the show on their own easily,

541
00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:31.200
or they could have flown them from the house nearby,

542
00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:33.160
or and there's I mean, there's so many And I'm

543
00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:35.000
not trying to make this seem like it's a big conspiracy,

544
00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:37.359
Like I'm not trying to be like, but I'm just saying, like,

545
00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:40.160
there's so much you can't control in this, and I

546
00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:42.279
think that that's going to make it hard right for

547
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:44.640
any rule. And so that's another going to be another

548
00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:47.000
layer of us thinking about it, because like in general,

549
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:51.559
guests really can't bring fireworks that can launch that altitude

550
00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:54.559
just like in their pockets and show up at things,

551
00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:59.160
you know, and like interfere but you know it can Yeah,

552
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:02.319
well okay, I mean it's just a whole other level.

553
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:07.599
Motorshell is that big? I mean they're tiny, Yeah, we're

554
00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:08.240
not large.

555
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:12.599
So well anyway, I think that's that's all part of it.

556
00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:14.480
But I think overall that the trend for this is

557
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:16.759
that you know, you mentioned way way earlier about the

558
00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:20.119
drone progress, and it's not you know, twenty twenty five

559
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:21.359
is going to be the year of the drones. It's

560
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:24.880
not going to it's not going to get any less

561
00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:30.079
at all, because Amazon's already expanding its drone delivery program

562
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:32.640
to several cities from Phoenix, has been going in Phoenix

563
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:35.759
and they're expanding it several other cities. And I think

564
00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:40.519
individual states dictate a lot about how the state the

565
00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:44.200
drones are regulated. But it's definitely it's definitely going to

566
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:47.680
be expanding in our use capability because it's not just delivery,

567
00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:50.319
it's also I mean, there's so many military applications. I

568
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:53.119
already use them now for a ton of military, but

569
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:55.599
it's a lot of surveillance and it's a lot of delivery.

570
00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:58.079
And I think in just those two veins, you're going

571
00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:00.599
to see a lot of expansion in this. And also

572
00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:02.880
to one of your points you made earlier, like in

573
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:07.559
terms of stack ranking, these like the sky Elements shows

574
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:10.680
are relatively little risk because to what your point earlier, like,

575
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:13.000
they just they start in a place and they move

576
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:14.000
and they do a thing and they go back to

577
00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:17.640
that place, which is much less than like a drone

578
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:22.480
delivery like Amazon like do delivering packages to neighborhoods, you know.

579
00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:25.480
And then also for surveillance drones that are just going

580
00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:28.880
in place like all over unpredictable areas, Like I mean,

581
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:31.559
these are going into predictable pattern doing a predictable thing

582
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:35.000
in a predicted, predictable place. And so I think because

583
00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:37.200
of all these elements, I do think that this is

584
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:39.720
not going to be the end of drone shows by

585
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:42.519
any stretch. It's just unfortunate that it happened to Sky

586
00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:45.599
Elements because they are such a big brand. However, maybe

587
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:47.440
that's a good thing that they are big enough brand

588
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:49.599
that they can kind of like Disney like, kind of

589
00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:51.079
take a little bit of the heat in order to

590
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:54.680
drive progress for the industry. But ultimately, you know, when

591
00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:57.440
you invent the car, you also invent the car crash, right,

592
00:28:57.519 --> 00:28:58.920
And it's unfortunate.

593
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:00.680
You know, no one likes see this happen.

594
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:03.799
But use the you use the example of of the uh,

595
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:08.480
the observation drones that are flying all over really and

596
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:14.200
uh but when when weather balloons first started, they fell

597
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:16.720
on livestock and you know, killed cows.

598
00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:21.759
So there's there's going to that yeah, yeah, you're right, yeah.

599
00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:24.200
And every point, Yeah, there's always going to be some

600
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:26.640
sort of of stumbling block because, as you say, when

601
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:28.359
you invent the car, you invent the car crash. When

602
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:30.599
you invent the drone, you invent the drone crash. But

603
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.799
I think the most important thing to recognize is in

604
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:35.720
the short term, especially in the southeastern part of the

605
00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:38.599
United States, that drone shows are going to be under

606
00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:43.720
magnifying glass. And you know, just like after any coaster crash,

607
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:46.079
that kind of coaster is always put on on hold

608
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:49.799
or suspended, and uh, there's some sort of some sort

609
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:54.240
of investigation done. Unfortunately, from this kind of of negativity,

610
00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:56.720
that's really the only way you can force some sort

611
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:57.880
of of progress.

612
00:29:58.359 --> 00:29:59.200
It was going to happen.

613
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:02.079
It was going to happen, and it's unfortunate else we're

614
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:04.599
invented because of car crashes. Yeah, we're like, we're not,

615
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:06.799
We're not. I mean, I'm definitely not happy about this,

616
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:09.440
and I really you know, you'll you'll never wish for

617
00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:11.720
a child to be hurt. But it was going to happen.

618
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:13.880
By just the like this is how it works. It

619
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:16.839
was going that there was there. It was almost like impossible,

620
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:18.240
say there was going to be a drone show when

621
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:20.720
never a drone crash, Like that's impossible. It was all

622
00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:22.839
it was going to happen somewhere sometime.

623
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:25.839
Well, we've actually been droning on this entire show, so

624
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:26.200
it's true.

625
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:27.480
I didn't know we were going to spend the whole

626
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:29.079
time talking about it. I know I didn't either, but hey,

627
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:29.559
it's good.

628
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:31.240
It's a good topic because it is such a hot

629
00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:33.559
topic and such a very important topic. So but we

630
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:35.359
are done for We are done for this episode. So

631
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:37.079
once again, thank you all so much for listening on

632
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:39.680
behalf of Philipernandez and myself, Scott Swinson. This is green

633
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:41.680
Tag Theme Park in thirty and we will see you

634
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:42.440
next week.

635
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:44.440
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636
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638
00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:51.200
and trends for twenty twenty five.