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Okay. Hello.
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This week from our studios in Los Angeles and Tampa,
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this is Green Tagged Theme Park in 30. I'm Philip
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from Ganton Lighting Controls, and I'm joined as always by
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my delightful co-host Scott Swenson of Scott Swenson Creative Development.
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Here on Green Tagged, of course, we look to the
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top news each week, and we try and pick the
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stories we think matter most to industry professionals, and we
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discuss them here on the show. And this week, we
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are back to Six Flags because it just It does
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not end for our favorite chain that is also America's
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largest theme park chain. But really quick, before we get
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into that story, I did want to do a thank
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you to everyone who left comments last week. Kind of
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very thoughtful comments in response to mostly Scott's rant from
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the previous week. But we thank all of you for that,
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and especially people... from pointing out when we had made
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some mistakes in some of the pronunciations. The comments are
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very helpful, and I think that's why we do the show.
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That's kind of why we started it originally, was to
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have discussions and ask questions. So we appreciate those comments.
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We do read all of them, although don't always have
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time to reply because I'm barely alive. And yes.
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Well, it is the season, you know, and I... I'm
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sitting here right now going, I have opened two Halloween
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events in two different parts of the country. And on Monday,
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I fly out to go do a third. And in
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between now and Monday, we're recording this on Saturday. So tomorrow,
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I have an art show that I'm doing. So yeah,
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it's just a crazy, crazy time. But to echo what
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Philip said, yes, thank you so much for sharing those comments.
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We do appreciate them. And, you know, we've always said
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from the very beginning, we're not here, we're not here
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to give all the answers. We are here to make
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sure that we are all asking the right questions. And
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when we make mistakes or when we, when we need
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to be redirected in the questions that we're inspiring, then that's,
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that's exactly what we hope that you will do because
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that shows engagement and shows that, you know, you care
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about this industry and care about making certain that we
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remain honest. So thank you.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, Uh, let us back to Six Flags,
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then we shall, we shall go. And I'm sure that, again,
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this is one of those things, because this is an
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industry show, I'm sure everyone listening is already aware of
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the news that came out this week about Jana pushing
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again for Six Flags to sell. They, and it came
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out from a few outlets, although this time, you know,
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this happened in March previously. And in March, we got
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an actual letter that was a pretty strongly worded letter
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that referenced the known buyer interest, I guess, that supposedly exists,
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and also talked about there being a pattern of board dysfunction, right?
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This time, from what I've seen, and maybe I missed something,
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but from what I've seen, there isn't a public letter.
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This is more that reporting that came out from big
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news organizations that they don't have a published letter, right?
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And Six Flags has not given a statement or anything.
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This is more reporting stories. So it seems like it's
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a little bit different in nature. But essentially, even though
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there's been a lot that has changed since the first letter,
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including the leadership, a lot of the board leadership has changed.
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There's been a lot of changes since that first letter
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came out. So despite all of that, Jen is still
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urging for a sale. And They didn't say why they
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just said disappointment with a second quarter results. That's it.
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So those are kind of like the facts. So now
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we can go into Philip's crazy world. And I think
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this all comes down to debt. That's it. And I,
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I don't want to, you know, I don't want to oversimplify.
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I'm sure there's a lot of other things, but I
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think it all comes down to the day as it
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always does. It's all about, it's always all.
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About the money.
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It's like follow the money. And I think the money
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here is the debt. And here's why I think now.
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And this is just me. This is just me. And
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this is not an investing show. We're not financial advisors.
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So just take all that in mind. But we all
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know also that the Fed recently hiked interest rates. Well,
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remember that Six Flags has a lot of debt. Some
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of that debt is variable.
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Actually, $ 1.
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46 billion or $ 1.
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48 billion of it is variable.
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Variable, which means that interest rate on that $ 1. 48 billion
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actually moves. So when the Fed raised interest rates last week,
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it cost an extra $ 4 million for Six Flags in
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just interest that they have to pay on that. And
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it looks like the Fed's going to continue to raise
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interest rates. We're not sure, but right now people are
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thinking they might raise it. So every time they move it,
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That's an extra $ 4 million that they're paying on that
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because that is variable. But it gets a little bit
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more complicated because if you remember in January, we talked
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about them having to refinance and roll over some of
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their maturing bonds. So each time that a new bond
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is going to come due, they're going to likely refinance it.
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We talked about how that's normal. This is all normal.
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But I'm just saying, when you're refinancing into a higher
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interest rate environment, that means it's costing more. And so
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I think this could be maybe why Janet is pushing now,
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just because we started off the year thinking the Fed
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might cut interest rates. And now we just had a
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rate hike, the first one in a long time, and
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it looks like more might be coming. I think that
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is more the impetus, is that because of the debt load,
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And even though all this is normal, like this is all,
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this is all how companies operate normally, but I'm just
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kind of highlighting that the big problem Six Lives has
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had is that they are over levered with their debt
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and debt is becoming more expensive and money's becoming more expensive.
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And when you have this much of it, that's putting
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pressure on the business model. I think that's kind of
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just my thoughts on it, but Otherwise, Riley has been
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doing everything we've been discussing every week. I mean, they're
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trying really hard to right the ship and move this
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Titanic going in the right direction. But the question has
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always been, could they outrun the debt? And I think
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that Jan is probably just getting cold feet about it
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because of the environment.
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Well, and I'm going to.
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I think everything you have said is exactly spot on.
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I think, you know, but I also want to say
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that because going back to the very beginning when you
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first started talking about this, there has been no letter.
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There has been no official statement. This is all reporting.
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So I'm not saying it's untrue. I'm just saying that
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the company is not 100% confident enough to put something
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out quite yet. It is very common for companies to
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constantly say, evaluate what, um, other companies are going to
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be willing to pay for them. This is not, this
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is not an unusual thing in this or any other industry.
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You know, part of the reason that people form companies
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is so that eventually they can sell them for a profit. So, uh, there,
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there is, there is that. So this is, this is
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going back to what you're saying. This is just normal.
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This is very normal. Um, I think the challenge is.
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the with these with this incredible debt and with the
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interest rates going up that doesn't make them terribly marketable
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um unless it's going to someone who's got very very
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very very very deep pockets and they're they're in it
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for the long game um because you know it's like Yeah,
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we're selling because we've got this anchor of debt around
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our neck and we're sinking. You want to buy us?
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That's not the best sales pitch. Buy us before we sink.
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That's not the best sales pitch. So I think it's interesting.
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I'm sure, quite honestly, I am sure that there are
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plenty of investors, plenty of Janna folks who are kind
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of going, Hey, we, uh, we might want to dump
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this before it gets too much worse.
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But their ability to do that, I think is going
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to be significantly limited by what's happening with interest rates,
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what's happening with the, and the fact that they are,
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I mean, they are in a world of hurt when
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it comes to debt. Um, what I think is also
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interesting is is, and this goes back to the March letter,
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but I haven't seen anything, and Philip, maybe you have,
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but I haven't seen anything that countermans this yet, and
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that is that, you know, Jana still seems to support
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Riley as the CEO. They may have issues, they may
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still have issues with the board, and that the board
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continues to operate in a way that seems, I don't know,
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what do they say in the original, like disjointed or
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dysfunctional or something like that. They may still have issues
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with that, but but the fact that they've got John
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in there and maybe, maybe they're supporting, you know, here's,
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this is Scott's crazy theory. Maybe they're continuing to support
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John Reilly because, well, first of all, I have a
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great deal of respect for John. I've known, I've, I've
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seen his work for years, but, but it's also possible
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that they are continuing to support John Reilly as, you know,
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we may have debt, but look at this great leader
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we have um, who's going to take it, you know,
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take it to the, the, the, uh, take it through this,
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this storm here and make it to the end. Um,
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so maybe they're using him as a selling point because
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he is, you know, he is the CEO, not, not
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a member of the board, which, you know, usually shifts
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anyway when there's a big sale. So, um, yeah, it's
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an interesting situation. I, I, I think that, you know, it,
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Everybody's everybody who's seen this and everybody I've talked to
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who's seen this is, you know, kind of up in
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arms running around going, Oh, they're looking to sell already
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and they can't stick it out, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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But this is kind of common practice. I think we
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have to take that into consideration as well. Um, do
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they want to get out from under this debt? Absolutely.
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Are they going to look at every single opportunity to
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get out from under this debt? Absolutely. Is sale one
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of those opportunities?
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Perhaps.
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Perhaps, but I don't know who has deep enough pockets
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to buy them at this point to be able to
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take care of that debt. If there is a turn
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in the interest rates, then I think the possibility of
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sale for profitability or sale to stop loss is much
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more realistic. But at this point, I'm not sure who
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it would be.
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I'm not sure who it would be. Yeah.
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I think it would have, I don't think it would
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be anyone that we're thinking of because the 5 billion,
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I mean, you're buying 5 billion of debt. Like that's
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just the debt is 5 billion. And then it's, it's
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costing more, not just to define it. It's causing more
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to finance it. So I think it probably isn't anyone
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that we're thinking of. I think if it was going
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to be somebody, it would be somebody that we are
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not thinking of. I mean, that's not, In a world
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where we have trillion-dollar companies, a $ 5 billion thing is
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not a lot. It's just in our sector, it seems
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like a lot. But maybe if it was someone like
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Meta or Google or Apple, there's plenty of people that
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can afford this. I think it's just that the people
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that usually is in our industry that go around and
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purchase parks, I think it's a little bit outside of
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any of their budgets. Yep. Yep.
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It's got to be somebody who all of a sudden goes, hey,
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you know what? I think I want to own the
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largest theme park chain in the United States. Who is that?
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Because they don't know.
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And they owe how much?
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Yeah, that's right. Well, okay. We're keeping with Six Flags
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News here because there's an update to the X2 story
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that we talked about. Basically, it also came out on
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September 21st that three more writers have sued Six Flags
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Magic Mountain over brain injuries. And the firm that's representing
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them says that there's 100 additional clients that they have
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retained that will be filing soon, apparently. And who knows
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if that's actually going to happen. But at least we
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have these three news. We have three new ones on
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top of the two from July. So we have three
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new ones that just came in last week. And What's
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interesting to me about this one is that they're kind
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of alleging a broader pattern, basically, of kind of like
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criminal concealment, basically, where they're saying that basically the complaints
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allege that Six Flags knew of the rider's injuries immediately
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after they rode and that nevertheless continued to operate X2
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without adequately investigating the cause of the injury or warning
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subsequent riders. And what they're claiming is fraudulent concealment, right?
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Because they're framing it as kind of that they kind
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of knew, you know, fraudulent concealment. They knew this was
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going on and they're continuing to do that. And that
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Six Flags has repeatedly sought to restrict public disclosure of
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evidence concerning X2 injuries and safety issues and understood that
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publicity could deter members of the public from writing the
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interaction and thereby adversely affect revenue. So... It's interesting because
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last time we talked about the story, I think the
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one thing everyone agreed in the comments is that it's
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like the worst ride, the roughest ride that anyone in
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the comments has experienced. And everyone I have spoken to
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since then has kind of, it's like that's what they
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remember is how rough this ride is. And I just,
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I don't think that's good. I mean, I, and now
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if there really are a hundred additional rides people and
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they put together a big consortium that comes after this
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i i don't know i mean i think it's all
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gonna shake out you know we'll you know we'll see
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because it's too early right now other than the the
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three new ones right it's too early to know how
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how scale how much of a scale this thing is
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but criminal concealment is a big allegation and i don't
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know I'm not an attorney.
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Well, I mean, I don't know. I guess my question,
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my question is, I'm not an attorney either. And I
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guess my question is, is that, is that what has
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been filed because, or is that is what they're alleging
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and leading to?
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They're just alleging, you know, you know how it is,
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you know how it is where.
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They go out and give spicy statements. Oh, I know
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exactly how it is. And that's, and that's why I
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want to bring, yeah, that's why I want to bring
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this up because so it, from, from what I understand,
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I mean, and again, Keep us honest. Correct me if
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this is incorrect. But it appears as though they have
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not been charged with criminal concealment.
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No, no, no, no. That's way down the line, right?
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We're just at step zero where you have these complaints
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being filed and the law firm is trying to make
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a bunch of noise about it because that's what they do.
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They're going out and they're like, hey, we have these...
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you know, three more people have come forward and we
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have a hundred more that are on retainer that are
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potentially going to come forward. And this is a mass
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conspiracy that, you know, that's kind of what the, but
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that's the law firm's job.
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I mean, that is exactly, they are setting, they are
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setting the stage for a, a big controversial. And, and
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it amazes me how much people will support parks until
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such time as they think they can make money off
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of them from a lawsuit. And then all of a sudden,
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And I'm not saying that these five cases are not legit.
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I'm not saying that X2 is a pleasant boat ride
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through a dark warehouse. I get it. I get it.
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But I kind of want to right-size the indignation here.
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I guess that's kind of my mood today. I don't know.
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Maybe I'm just too tired to be all stand-up and fight.
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But I want to write it because I love it when,
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when anyone on either side of any sort of allegation
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uses phrases like there are more than 100 additional clients.
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Yeah.
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Okay. So that's just vague enough that, that, that have
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retained it, that have retained us, that have retained us.
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So that doesn't even mean they've charged. It doesn't mean
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they have any claim. It means that they've contacted a
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lawyer because they found out hey, you're handling those X2 things.
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I had a headache for two days. I bet I
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have a brain injury. And I'm not saying that they don't.
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Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying that these are not legit.
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What I am saying is once the avalanche starts, the
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pebbles chime in much quicker. And again, the lawyer's job
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is to make money. So when the law firm throws
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out things like, there are over a hundred additional clients.
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It's like, Oh, well, gosh, then I guess my claim
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was legit. Maybe I should contact them too. Um, you know,
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and eventually it becomes what a class action because it
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becomes so many people. Um, and that makes a whole
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heck of a lot more money if they win for,
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for the, uh, for the legal firm. Um, Yeah, I
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don't know. There's no question that X2, although I've never
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ridden it, but from everything I've seen, there's no question
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it's a rough ride.
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Yep.
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There's no question at all. And, you know, if people
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got injured, when they immediately lean into that the companies
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are trying to hide facts or I even go into...
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the not properly maintained, all of, all of that. It
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sounds a little me thinks that does protest too much
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that they don't really have as much of a claim
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or as much of a case as they would like.
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So they are trying to find more and more things to,
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to add onto it, to make it, to make it grander. Um,
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because again, that's the way they make money. That's what,
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that's the way they get money for their, for their,
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for their clients as well. So, Yeah, I'm curious to
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see how this frames out. And again, I don't think it's...
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If I were going to make a case based on
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what I've heard and what I've known, I don't think
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fraudulent concealment is... Well, it clearly hasn't been proven. Let's
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just put it that way. It clearly hasn't been proven.
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And if these cases do move forward and that comes
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up and there is more evidence presented, that's fine. But again,
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I just want to make sure that we're looking at
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this going, okay, this is definitely something to keep our,
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our eyes on. And, and I will tell you, if
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you are truly outraged by this, do not ride X2.
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Just saying. Oh, okay. Uh, Yeah.
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Well, there's our quick updates.
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We're not.
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Yeah. Again, we don't have the legal specialty to.
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And we're not lawyers.
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Nope. But not at all. Just an update on that
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story where it's not getting better. I think that's my point,
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is that it's not getting better. And now that the
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avalanche is starting, I don't think it's going to. So... Nope.
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It's just going the wrong direction. But.
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Okay.
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Let's... We're not really leaving Six Flags. We're kind of
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leaving Six Flags.
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You know, we....
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We're now moving Six Flags adjacent. Yeah, it's Six Flags adjacent.
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So remember that Six Flags sold a lot of parks
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to Enchanted Parks. That's what we call formerlies in our household.
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This is a formerly story.
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This is about parks that were formerly Six Flags parks.
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Yes, there are parks that were formerly Six Flags parks
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that then transformed into the Enchanted Parks brand. And it
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is now officially Enchanted Parks' first Halloween season. All of
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their events are open as of when we're recording this.
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this and they are doing halloween at all of the
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parks that in their chains would be valley fair worlds
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of fun mid-america adventure great escape digger land and water
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safari are all the ones in the internet parks chain
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and they're all doing halloween events and what it's just
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it's interesting because they are trying to kind of keep
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the same rough format and i guess we'll see if
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they continue with that next year. It's just, this is
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the hard year. Cause this is the transition year, right?
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Where you kind of have a lot of stuff kind
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of mid, mid processing. Right. And a lot of the
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regular consumers are not even aware of the sales as
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they never are. A lot of the people that just
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go are just never aware of what's going on. But
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so I think it's hard to sometimes change the events
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too much because the guests don't know what's going on.
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But basically what's interesting to me is all of them
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have a pretty heavy ham family. focus on them. And
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so all, all six of them are keeping with family events.
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And then for Valley fair worlds of fun, mid America
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and great escape are doing after dark haunt experiences. And
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they're following the same rough format where the daytime stuff,
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all of that entertainment is included. And then the nighttime
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haunted houses are an extra fee. And then the fee
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just depends on the park that they're at. Uh, I
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guess from an entertainment perspective, Scott, is there anything here
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that jumps out to you as to how they're handling Halloween?
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Well, there's a couple things that I think we need
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to take into consideration. My guess is that even by
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the time this sale was confirmed, most of this stuff
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was already at least half-baked, if not fully baked. So
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they probably didn't want to just go ahead and... throw
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out the baby with the bathwater here and start from scratch.
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So my guess is that some of it was already
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just in the works so they can start earning money
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back on their investment. They said, no, let's not mess
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with this too much. I also think from a content standpoint,
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I think it's a wise move. I think it's smart
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to see what does... have the most financial return? You know,
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is it, is it the family friendly or is it the, the,
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the after dark scary stuff? And there was a time that,
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and you've heard me say it on this show, there
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was a time that I used to think it was
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all about the after dark scary stuff. And that's the
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only way you could make money. Family doesn't make money,
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but that's not, that has changed significantly. And so, um,
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I think it's wise to sort of dip your toes
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into both if you can, and and figure out you
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know what does work um as you say philip the
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vast number of guests don't even know that it's a
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different ownership so yeah um and in fact they're probably
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still calling um they're still calling mid-america six flags even
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even when they look at the sign they'll get their
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picture taken in front of the sign and go yeah
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we had our picture taken in front of the new
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six flag sign um so So, yeah, I, I think that,
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I think that this is, this is a wise move.
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It is a, um, it is a, it is a
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low investment move because, um, it is much, it is
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much more cost effective to do family friendly, generally speaking. Um,
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and it doesn't impact, you know, if you're just doing
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family friendly and not doing for the parks that are
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not doing the, the after dark haunts, um, it doesn't
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impact their operating hours either that much.
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Yeah.
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So, um, the whole park doesn't have to add additional
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labor to their, to their costs. I'm hoping, I'm hoping
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that they will find that, uh, Halloween continues to be
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a viable addition to their product lineup and that they
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will continue to either expand or, um, find new and
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different ways to stand out in their, in their markets. Um, It's,
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it's interesting for me because, you know, I've, I've done,
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I've done some work for a Valley fair when it
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was under six flags and, uh, or actually under Cedar fair.
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Sorry.
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It was under Cedar fair at the time. And it's, uh,
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it's interesting because when I was doing that work, they
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were putting all their eggs in the scary basket. And, uh,
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so now these things, the times they are a changing.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I think that one is still the most robust.
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I would say they do have a pretty robust offering
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at Valley Scare is what it's called, right? But I
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think it's just they're also making sure that there's a
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family component at each thing for the daytime. And they're
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also introducing allergy-free options for trick-or-treating for daytime. So there
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are non-food items available for trick-or-treating during the day at
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the locations, all the locations for allergies. So kind of
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really another family play, right? Playing into the family, diverse family. Well,
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let's maybe finish up with some more fun news. We
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don't usually cover stories like this because they're very clickbaity,
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but I just thought it couldn't resist because of the
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theme of today's show. So this is coming from Attractions Magazine,
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but it's basically five of the 10 most overrated attractions
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in America are Six Flags Park. Oh, there. And so
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this is one of those things. So this was a
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study that was conducted by a company called Stasher and
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they looked at 665 US attractions and they looked at the,
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so attractions is pretty broad because they looked at the,
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it came from the TripAdvisor. They basically scraped TripAdvisor and
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they compared that with sentiment analysis from the TikTok posts,
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Instagram posts, and like all the social stuff. So they
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kind of looked at both of these two things together
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and then put together this wide ranging list of basically attractions,
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like tourist attractions of many kinds that people think are overrated.
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And then we get to where looking at the top
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10 and Six Flags is five of the top, different
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Six Flags locations are in the five of the top 10,
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including Six Flags Great Adventure at number three, Number four,
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Six Flags Great America. Number five, Six Flags Over Georgia.
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And then Six Flags Yes to Texas is number eight.
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Six Flags New England is number nine.
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So, yeah. But I think it's interesting, though, because I'm
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going to take this with a grain of salt. Of course.
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Simply because number one is the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Right,
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00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:17.509
which is pretty overrated. Since when is a sidewalk an attraction?
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Yeah.
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I mean, I would think that you would be able
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to modify your own expectations. It's a sidewalk with stars
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on it. Let me tell you, though. Calling that an
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attraction is the thing that I find the most difficult.
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I know what you're saying.
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I get it.
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But I'm just saying, as someone who lives like 20
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minutes away from that sidewalk, it's like, Every time people
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come into town, that's what they want. It's like, you know,
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I try telling people, it's just a sidewalk. But every
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time they want to go and they want to see it.
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So it is kind of an attraction because many tourists
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just want to look at the sidewalk.
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But I think when you put the Hollywood Walk of
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Fame in the same list as a Six Flags theme park.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that seems a little, I don't know, skewed
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and odd to me. And don't misunderstand me. I have
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my photos from the first time I went to the
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Walk of Fame with my favorite stars on the sidewalk. Yes, yes.51200:29:22.599 --> 00:29:25.940
But overrated? No, it was exactly what I expected. It51300:29:25.980 --> 00:29:28.819
was a star on a sidewalk.51400:29:28.819 --> 00:29:35.289
But number three is literally a rock. It's Plymouth Rock.51500:29:35.289 --> 00:29:38.339
Number three is literally a rock.51600:29:38.650 --> 00:29:43.359
Valid. Valid. I got a rock. Yeah, exactly right. Well,51700:29:43.380 --> 00:29:45.539
and I will say that number four, seeing Six Flags51800:29:45.559 --> 00:29:47.440
Great America on there because that was my home park51900:29:47.460 --> 00:29:49.380
growing up when I was a kid, I will tell52000:29:49.420 --> 00:29:52.000
you part of the reason that, and I'm guessing this52100:29:52.059 --> 00:29:53.720
is true with some of the other flags parks as well,52200:29:54.160 --> 00:29:56.119
I'm guessing that part of the reason that those are52300:29:56.160 --> 00:29:59.269
so overrated is because of the nostalgia factor and the52400:29:59.309 --> 00:30:02.180
fact that When I was going to Six Flags Great America,52500:30:02.339 --> 00:30:07.180
it was run by Marriott originally. That's who opened the park.52600:30:07.859 --> 00:30:13.690
And it was something special. It was Disney-esque in its design.52700:30:13.750 --> 00:30:17.750
They were very adamant that it's not an amusement park.52800:30:18.190 --> 00:30:22.049
It is a theme park. And they used to have52900:30:22.089 --> 00:30:25.970
different wardrobe for different people in different areas. So it53000:30:26.029 --> 00:30:29.309
really did... It had a great nostalgia, and it will53100:30:29.390 --> 00:30:31.549
always hold a very special place in my heart. And53200:30:31.609 --> 00:30:33.490
like I said on the show, last time I was there,53300:30:33.549 --> 00:30:37.349
which was last year, it had started to come back.53400:30:37.450 --> 00:30:40.529
So I'm going to throw a little defense in there53500:30:40.589 --> 00:30:45.380
for that one, but I do understand how these things53600:30:45.440 --> 00:30:47.799
can happen. But I just think we need to take53700:30:47.819 --> 00:30:49.079
it with a grain of salt because we've got a53800:30:49.119 --> 00:30:54.660
rock and a sidewalk in the list. So... So there's that. Unfortunately,53900:30:54.759 --> 00:30:58.740
my friends, hopefully we've met your expectations, so we're not54000:30:59.079 --> 00:31:02.160
overrated because it's time for us to move on. Show's over.54100:31:02.180 --> 00:31:05.029
Our 30 minutes are up. On behalf of Philip Hernandez54200:31:05.069 --> 00:31:07.869
with Gantam Lighting and the Haunted Attraction Network, and myself,54300:31:07.890 --> 00:31:10.650
Scott Swenson, with Scott Swenson Creative Development, this is Green54400:31:10.670 --> 00:31:13.039
Tagged Theme Park in 30, and we will see each54500:31:13.150 --> 00:31:14.279
and every one of you next week.54600:31:14.799 --> 00:31:14.940
Bye.
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