LIVE from Midwest Haunters Convention 2023

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From the lobby of the Convention Center
in Chicago. This is Green Tag Theme

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Park in thirty I'm Philip and Scott. Hello. I know we're actually in

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the same we're in the same room, we're in the same country, we're

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in the same state. We're sharing
and we're using the same microphone. It's

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amazing. Oh my god, here
we are, so Scott, we're in

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Chicago for Midwest Hunter's Convention and we
should talk about that. Yeah, we're

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here. Yeah, yeah, it's
uh so it's it's my first time being

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back at Midwest in a long long
time. And uh. And it's interesting

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to see because you know, people
will often say, what's the difference between

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the different Haunt shows. Um,
like you know, trans World and Midwest

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and all the others, and um, we were we were discussing this last

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night actually over dinner. The fact
that this is this feels like it's obviously

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more of a regional show, hence
the term Midwest unders Convention. Um.

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But uh, but it's been a
it's been an interesting show in the fact

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that there's not a whole lot of
uh. I won't say there's a ton

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of like new earth shattering, groundbreakings
stuff that we've seen, um, but

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I don't know whether that's necessarily the
point of this particular show because it does

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come later in the season. You
know, It's true, it's significantly after

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obviously after trans World, and at
this point in time, so many of

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the professional haunters are already buttoned up
and you know, ready to go.

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They've they've made their orders, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. But this is

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this is more of a show for
the smaller independent haunters as well as home

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haunters and you know, just people
who are crazy excited about there about the

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Halloween season. Yeah, so it's
it's it's it's really unique. Um,

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it does seem it does feel to
me like there's a lot of I guess

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a lot more consumer enthusiasm. You
know, there's a lot of people that

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that are just excited about Halloween here. Um. The thing that stuck out

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to me is just how many they
have a costume contest. But there's just

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a lot like that. People are
just wandering around in costumes. You know.

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Oh, yeah, it's there is
there is um a large element of

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fan show with this. Um lots
of hot actors and that's I think the

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as far as attendees go. That's
who I have run into the most,

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which is honestly one of the reasons
that I'm here. You know, one

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of the projects that I'm working on
is based in in Barrington, which is

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just outside of Chicago, and we
actually decided to do our auditions for that

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during this show because we knew it
was going to be filled with hot actors.

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And we've had so much interest that
I'm actually flying back next weekend to

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do another round of auditions. Um, based on names and emails that you

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know, we signed up for.
So there's a lot of there's there's a

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lot of the folks on the trade
show floor are hot actors, are haut

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enthusiasts and makeup artists and scenic builders
and that sort of thing. Um.

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But I will say that so many
of the vendors that we've talked to are

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basically sold out or booked out of
their product. You know, one of

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the vendors that I talked to actually
said, because of the nature of this

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show, they're actually here to sell
off there there it's like a bump and

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dent sale. Um. They're here
to sell off some of the product that's

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that's not the top quality. But
UM is sitting in their warehouse and they

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figure, you know, a home
haunter, because their stuff is really high

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quality to begin with. But a
home haunter, you know, might be

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fine that there's an air bubble in
the casting or whatever. Yeah, because

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I feel they can cover it up
with something, and especially if they can

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get a top quality product for a
significantly reduced price. Yeah so but yeah,

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almost every there, Like there was
one product UM and I wish I

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had it with me because I'd like
to demonstrate it, but I don't.

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Uh, there's one product that is
called the Aztec death Whistle and it sounds

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exactly like a human scream. Um. It was sold out within the first

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I would say hour of the show. Wow. Um. So yeah,

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it's it's it's a perfect example of
people are ready to buy. I mean

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clearly ready to buy. This season. Most of the vendors and manufacturers are,

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if not sold out, booked out
based on the capacity that they can

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that they can produce, and certainly
the higher end vendors are are stuck stuck

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in that position as well. Yeah. Yeah, So I would say going

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on that, I thought some of
the takeaways are I still think for smaller

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attractions that stuff like this is a
good opportunity for you, so in front

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of your potential clients, and we
do see a lot of them here.

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We see like the Chicago Zombie Walk
and all those smaller local attractions that are

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here that are talking to locals.
Right, there's a lot of locals here

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talking to people within the driving distance. And then I think on the flip

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side, also from the operator standpoint, it's like this just underscores how you

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know, maybe the traditional buying schedule
for theme parks and attractions may not be

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the same as it used to it. Well, and I think it shouldn't

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be the same. Well, I
don't think it can be the same anymore

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because again there are I hate to
keep using the term post COVID, but

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since COVID wasn't it became an issue. There are a lot of vendors that

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have gone out of business. So
therefore, um, there are fewer and

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fewer places to get stuff. And
it's no longer it's no longer just a

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situation where it's I'll just go to
somebody else. Somebody else doesn't have it

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either. You know, you you
either get your orders in early or you

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have to either make your own or
go without because so many of the especially

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the scenics and the props and the
and the animations, their shops can only

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make so many between now and delivery
in August or September. So I think

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that the thing that I'm seeing illustrated
here over and over again again, going

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back to your takeaway is if you
don't if you don't get your stuff,

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and the vendors that I've talked to
say, it's only going to get worse.

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Yeah, I agree with that.
So you need to start if you

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as a as a theme park owner, operator, manager, and you you

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start backing up your timelines to get
your creative done sooner and then get your

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orders in. But what that means
is you have less flexibility to continually change

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things. Yep. So you need
to you need to back up your timeline

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at least six months from where it
is right now. Yep. I mean,

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we we've talked about this before,
but it's just it's just things are

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difficult. But it's all this is
all part of the same problem, right.

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The staffing makes it difficult. We
know a lot of teams that are

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still struggling to get back to full
capacity at the theme park level, right,

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And that means that they don't have
as much help to plan the seasonal

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activations out as long as they all
know they need to and then and now,

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then that leads into this ordering problem
and you just don't you just don't

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have the designs ready or you don't
have everything fully signed off by all the

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team members, and it slows us
down. But this is the problem we're

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going into. And yeah, I
do think it's gonna come to impact some

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of the events this season, definitely. Oh yeah. And again I think

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it's something that we have to recognize
it's going to impact this season, and

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what can we do so it doesn't
impact next season. That's really the most

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important thing I think I would like
people to recognize, and certainly something that

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was illustrated in no uncertain terms here
at Midwest UM the like, even with

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even with the Haunt that I'm the
local hunt that I'm working on here,

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excuse me, UM with Tera Roulette, we've had a challenge with UM.

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People are saying, well, it's
it's kind of early to start thinking,

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No, it's not. It's it's
late to start thinking about casting and staffing.

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But you know, we all just
have to train our minds to think

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haunt the haunt industry, and you
know, you and I said it for

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years, but the haunt industry has
to be a year round gig because you

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have to be planning for the next
year almost about the time you're finishing up

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the previous year. Yeah, so
that you can get your orders in,

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you can get your UM, you
can get your cast lined up, you

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can get your your additions built,
you can get your your video or audio

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recorded. You know, there's a
bunch of stuff that's going to take longer

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and longer, and with fewer and
fewer outside vendors to help UM, it's

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going to be essential that you work
smart and long range versus harden in a

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panic short short term. Yeah.
The other big takeaway I thought was before

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to give context here before the trade
show was the Hot Tours. And it

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was one day where they did a
bus tour and they took you to Hush

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and Arabis and Eloise and then there
was a Friday night experience at Joliet,

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the old Juliet prison by thirteenth floor. So Hush is one of my clients.

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So I was at Hush working at
Hush kind of the for the full

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day. I didn't do the full
tour, but what I saw was,

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you know, it's that you know, there was just the importance of that

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type of thing, like the importance
of people touring facilities. It's so important

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and I know that we have that
we do this. You know everyone does

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IOPA does this. We eat Florida
Trash and associate, like there's all sorts

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of groups that do this. But
it's like it's still important when you're doing

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a specialty thing like Halloween, it's
still important to tour facilities just to understand.

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And we had a lot of people
ask about because we at Hush we

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have the secret bars. That's our
program, was our thing, and we

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had the bars open and that was
a big deal for us to be able

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to have the bars open to show
people this is how they worked this out.

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The secret bars operate, this is
how the drinks operate. You know,

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that was a big deal and it
is difficult. I know, I

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was talking to Arabis he said sixty
percent of his show is dark for the

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tour because they was under construction,
right, So you know, it's again

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it's this whole difficult thing, like
you know, if you're working on the

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attraction year round. You're in the
middle of build seasons, so it's like

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there's only a few months where you
could even tour really other facilities, but

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then you're also busy at your facility. It's a it's a tricky balance,

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but I think it's important and that
that's what I took away from the people

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who were there, all these industry
professionals, is it's so critical for you

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to see. You know, it's
fine to still go to Disney and go

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to Universal and go see how these
bigger chains operate and see how they do

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their shows, but you need to
see other haunts. You absolutely see how

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they're doing it. If you have
a haunt, you need to see out

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what their haunts right and if you're
and if you have you know, I

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know that there are some folks,
and believe me, I've talked to them

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for many, many years. There's
some folks who believe, well, we're

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a theme park, we don't really
have to go look at independent haunts,

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or we don't really have to look
there's nothing we can learn from a home

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haunter, and that at the same
time we'll turn around and go, well,

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we're so over budget. Well there's
a lot you can learn then from

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an independent haunter or home hunter because
they take they take the shoestring budget that

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they have and try to tell the
same kinds of stories that you're telling in

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a giant theme park setting. So
if you want to, if you want

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to learn how to work smart not
expensive, go and visit some other haunts

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and see what choices they've made and
so. And you know, the other

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thing to recognize is you will learn
not only what you should do, but

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what you shouldn't do by visiting other
haunts. You go this, this doesn't

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work for me, and I don't. But what's really funny for me is

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some I've talked to so many people
who said I didn't really care about that,

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I didn't really care for that at
that haunt or that experience, and

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then they go back and realize,
oh, wait a minute, we do

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that here. Yea. So it's
it's it's nice to be on the other

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side of the coin, so to
speak. Yeah. Yeah, So you

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can see the operations, how people
are handling guests, flow and the throughput,

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and just you can see the other
other ways of approaching the same type

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of problem. Surely, and all
too often, you know when we're running.

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When we're running, whether it's a
haunt or anything else, when we're

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running it, we um we are
focused on what is easiest for us and

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what is the operational side. But
when all of a sudden you jump jump

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to the other side of the railing
and you're a guest, you realize,

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oh, this does not make my
experience good or this makes my experience great,

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and it didn't do it was really
easy for them to do. So,

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yeah, there's always learnings from visiting
other attractions. It's interesting to me

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because I I spoke to a lot
of the owner's operators that came through that

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I just recognized who were coming through
at the end, and you know,

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there was we were we kept on
schedule and so they had time to eat

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at house. We we've served them
lunch. But what it kind of reminded

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me of is that as a you
know, as a reporter, as a

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journalist, this being might beat I
get. I see all these attractions,

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you know, but just seeing some
of the haunters who really never get to

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do anything outside of their state or
you know, they maybe they get that

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one you know trade ticket trade that
they do with you know, you're neighboring

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haunt and they get to go see
that. So it's like you're hyper aware

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of what's going on next door,
but you have no clue that one state

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over they have a solution to this
thing that you've been thinking about. And

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you know, I think that's why
what we That's that's one of the reasons

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I think what we do is so
important to go and bear witness. But

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it kind of like I can I
can make a video, you know,

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and I can talk about all day, but I think I kept hearing this

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all day. I kept hearing Phil, we loved your videos of Hush.

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It was phenomenal. It is nothing
like seeing it. I finally understand it's

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then that's so true and the biggest
you know, And I've heard it on

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the trend on the show floor here
when we've been talking about different haunts and

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asking, you know, have you
seen different people in different haunts or different

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haunts experiences, They're like, well, no, because I'm always working my

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haunts. Yeah, so I don't
get a chance to go out and see

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other people's work. So that's another
reason why these kinds of bus tours are

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so very important at these kinds of
trade shows. And I realized they are

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difficult. You know it, you
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the the Haunt to bring everything up
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in their Yeah. We definitely lost
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yeah, yeah, but but you
gained you gained recognition. Yeah, you

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know it is. It's these should
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financial wins. These are these are
friend raisers, not fundraisers, you

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know. And that's a good point. I mean, you do need you

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do need friends. You never know
the talent, you know, We've how

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many times have we seen people that
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of course, Well, and again
looking at talent in this market. I'm

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not familiar with this market, but
I've talked to multiple people who either have

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or will audition for us in the
near future, and they're like, well,

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I've been working at such and such
a hunt for so many years,

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and I've been looking for a new
I've been looking for a new gig.

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So it's kind of fun to see
that there's a new kid in town.

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And then what's going to happen is
if we play our cards right, we'll

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be able to get the experience that
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utilized to help us get better.
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we're talking about Halloween. There have
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come out recently, and we'll kind
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time. But the probably the biggest
one is that Halloween Time is coming back

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at Dizzeyland and this year they're beginning
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you know, looking at the line, it's basically the same thing they've been

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doing previously in terms of entertainment,
nothing is changing. What is changing is

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the time, you know, it's
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the same as Halloween hore Knights in
Orlando. So it's it's really bringing

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that full time of September and October
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Disney didn't Disney gave a nod towards
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that this will give fans extra opportunity
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is which I thought it was a
funny non to it. And the other

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thing is that Oghibugie Bash is returning
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through October. They first, which
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basically they're keeping the offerings the same
following time, but they are expanding the

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timeline and they are expanding the number
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Bash Ogibogie Bash will have new characters
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that has been announced yet, so
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over the last several years, is
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start at the last two weekends of
October and then it has just continued to

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grow and grow and grow and grow
and grow. And that's very simply because

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the demand continues to grow and grow
and grow and grow and grow. We're

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not quite at the point where where
a year round is commonplace, but there's

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a part of me that kind of
hopes we don't get there. Yeah,

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because there's something very special about,
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season. Yeah. No, I
actually agree, I do not so a

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lot of people have talked to me
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expansion into Vegas and the thing.
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believe that you should do a year
round haunted traction in most markets. I

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think if you're going to do it, it's only it needs to be over

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fifty million in tourism in the city
that you're in, the need to be

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at the high foot traffic area.
I don't believe you should do a haunt

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year round, and that's because they're
terrible. They're really terrible businesses. You

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need the demand to fill it because
they're like restaurants. Every time you open

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your doors, you're just losing money, right, and you need to get

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enough people to offset the money and
losing. So I don't believe you should

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do it. Now. I believe
that year round horror has a place in

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almost any market because look at horror
movies come out year round because there are

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streaming, there's the Last of Us, there's so many horror as a genre

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can work, and I think year
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think y're around high houses are a
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but I do think that because the
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expand their their date ranges earlier and
earlier and earlier each year, and some

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are even going later and later.
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Halloween falls too. You know,
this year, Halloween falls on a Tuesday,

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so my guess is they will end
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the coming years, when Halloween is
like on a Thursday, they may go

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all the way through Saturday or Sunday
into November. Yep. So on that

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chain. Knots is kicking off their
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and it is interesting to me they
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on September twenty first. They are
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can add they can add a season
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and forty nine nine nine, so
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dollars on top of your season pass
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come in September twenty first through Halloween. It's only available on select nights,

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mainly weekends. So it's just it's
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and they are going to be the
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for their fiftieth and it's only going
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their run is going to be much
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just interesting to me. I guess
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or that they would extend their select
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we should hold them to the same
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larger and the park's larger. But
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you have Disneyland that starts September first, that's almost three weeks earlier,

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and their Halloween offerings are available every
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experience, they start September first,
and they're doing Wednesday through Sunday right off

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the bat, and so here we're
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then you know, so it's like
it's almost it's it's almost like a like

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a regular hunted house. Well,
and to me, I kind of look

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at it and think with Disney for
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question. I don't know with Disney, since it is a family friendly and

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kind of a reskinning so to speak, of the experience. My guess is

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that Disney is cross utilizing a lot
of their day assets, and by that

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I mean their staff more than anything. So you know, instead of instead

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of Mickey and Mine going out and
waving in their Hometown Square costumes, they

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go out and wave in their Halloween
costumes, which makes it which would make

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it easier to start earlier because you
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to do that. So family friendly
events generally speaking, can start earlier because

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they're bringing in they're cross utilizing their
labor that they already have, reskinning their

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product and retheeming it. When you
get into things like Halloween Horrornites or Knot

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Scary Farm, you've got you bringing
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different cast, a significantly larger contingent. And you know, with Knots,

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I'm not I don't think I'm curious
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because I don't think it's necessarily wrong
to do less if you can get

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the level of excitement and energy based
on the crowd size, if you can

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get that elevated, it makes the
experience better for everybody who goes to it.

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If it's too low, it's less
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you're standing in que the whole night. So I'm curious to see if

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they're trying to find what that right
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we'll we'll see, We'll see how
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only other thing I was thinking is
that it's um they haven't announced what they're

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going to do for the fiftieth anniversary
yet. It just seems to me like,

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is this a I guess my in
my brain, I'm wondering, is

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this a staffing issue? We I
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is being cut back. I'm not
sure how ceter that, how everything is

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working over there right now. I
know there was a lot of movement at

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post pandemic and whatnot, But to
me, it's like, well, it's

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your fiftieth shouldn't it be a big
deal, And shouldn't we have started the

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PR machine and the announced a machine
and getting things kind of My guess is,

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and I have no insider information,
so this is completely conjecture, but

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it sounds to me as though they
had plans and then didn't have the finances

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to execute them, so therefore they've
had to change. This sounds like because

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they haven't announced anything, because they're
you know, in essence, starting things

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late or paying things back. It
sounds like there's some decisions that are being

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rethought or remade. And I don't
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know, the park profit margin,
or whether those are based on staffing,

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or whether those are based on just
why are we doing this? Do we

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need to do this? I don't
know, but I think it leads to

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a really good takeaway for everybody,
and that is one mediocre decision is significantly

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better than no really good decisions.
You know, the longer you wait to

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implement something, the longer you wait
to pull the trigger, the less likely

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it is that you're going to be
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I don't know if that's speaking about
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with the theme of expanding events and
Halloween seasons, Ocean Park is going to

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hire twelve hundred temporary staff this year
for the Halloween event, which last year

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they hired eight hundred people, so
it's is a significant increase in the number

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that they're hiring. Temporary includes five
hundred roving characters, stuntman and actors to

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perform in the Hunted houses and the
performance shows. And previously this Halloween event

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was the largest in Asia. Right
then there's pandemic and there was changes in

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the leadership, and they went through
that crisis that we've talked about that that

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all institutions that are not I mean
it's a conservation institution and it's a kind

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of like a state owned park.
And so they did go through that crisis

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of is this in keeping with our
brand identity? And then, as Scott

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has talked about many times, when
it came down to how much money did

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it make versus our doesn't fit with
our brand? You know, they realize

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that money is good too, and
money can help them conserve things and help

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money conservation if it brings in,
if it brings in dollars that can be

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used for conservation programs. You know, I've worked with many, many organizations

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that have their feet in the entertainment
and the education side. You know,

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one foot in one side, one
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always that discussion, and there should
always be that discussion of how far are

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we going one way or the other. I think as long as you can

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identify for Halloween, for example,
or Christmas is the same way, as

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long as you can identify this is
the brand of this event which financially supports

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the the conservation side of the rest
of the year. And it's it's totally

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justified. And it also puts people
into the park more often. Yes,

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you know, seasonal activations. As
we've said ad nauseum, seasonal activations bring

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people back, yes to the park. Yeah. Well, and so it's

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just interesting that they are going back
in the direction basically kind of like this,

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this is this show make up for
lost time. They've been dark for

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a couple of years. Yes,
and this shows a full commitment. I

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mean, twelve hundred for that area
is a lot because the competition is there's

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Disneyland, Hong Kong Disneyland, and
there's these guys and that's it. There's

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there's a nail set or it's not. There's not like they're competing against a

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lot of people. And that said, the reason why it's it's such a

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difficult thing is the staffing because there's
not many attractions in the air and not

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many theme parks. There's just not
the scare actors. Where are you gonna

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so this moning? And I when
I talked about this, when I did

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the story with that before, they're
flying people in from other countries and they're

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housing them there. So twelve hundred
people means they're going to be bringing in

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people from other countries to work,
to be and try have to train them

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to be scaracters. Yeah. I
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to say, you know this market
better than I do, and that is

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are they going to be able to
find twelve hundred? And the answers no,

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no, But you know it's that's
something that that years and years ago

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Bush Gardens used to do, even
for frontline employees. They would bring them

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in from other countries. They would
provide housing. Uh, I know that

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that's happening. Excuse me, I
know that that's happening at Sea World.

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Yeahs Island, Abu Dhabi. Um. They're bringing people in from other countries

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to pretty much do any and all
of the not just the performance, but

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also the frontline, frontline labor positions
because they're the Mark is just not there

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to have those kinds of people to
hire. Yeah, so they have to

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they have to cast wider nets.
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it's funny that you said that,
because I was just thinking, I don't

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know whether I'd want to try to
cast twelve hundred people even in this market,

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which I know, but in a
market that I didn't know that could

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be really there's really not. Yeah. Well, so we would be remiss

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if we did not talk about this
news as it was relatively large across all

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all spheres, basically as I'm sure
our listeners already aware. But Disney and

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Apple announced a collaboration on their VRAR
storytelling experiences. So for the background of

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Apple unveiled their new Vision pro VR
system and they did a combined announcement with

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Disney. Disney CEO Bob Iger joined
CEO Tim Cook at Apple wwd C twenty

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three to announce Disney's collaboration for future
VR and AR endeavors with Apples just announced

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Vision pro headset. So I feel
like there's there's this is just like it

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could be really cool, but you'll
have to wait and see that seems like

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this whole thing, there's not many
details about either item. The item doesn't

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go on sale until early twenty twenty
four. The Vision Pro is set about

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thirty five hundred dollars retail price thirty
four ninety nine. And you know,

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Bob is great. He's always great
at setting the vision and getting people excited

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about ideas. But that's just what
it seemed like to me. He said,

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you could do things like using the
Vision Crow, using the Vision pros

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VR to its full advantage, it
would be possible to do things like sit

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in their own Star Wars speedcar on
tattoo while watching the last episode of Mandalorian.

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So I think he is trying to
paint the vision of an extended experience

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and bring it into your room and
blah blah blah. But we don't have

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any details, and we don't have
any of those. I will just note

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that when Apple announced that product,
it's been the rockiest product launched they've announced

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in twenty years. Their stock took
a dip because investors weigh prospects of the

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company's pricing new computer. I wear
Vision Pro and critics called it nerd goggles.

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So this is not a surprise to
me. I've been telling people that

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this was going to be their their
rockiest product launch in twenty years. If

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you just look though at the history, everything else has made sense, and

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it's been iteration past several decades,
so every new product has been met with

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like with stock uptecks and increases.
This is the first time it's it's been

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like, you know, I'm not
sure, but you could. I'm sure

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an analyst out there has already done
the research in terms of saying how much

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did the stock dip cost them versus
how much did they invest to make it?

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And probably was not good. But
I'm sure they're hoping that when it

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comes out, and I'm sure that's
the whole reason for the Disney collaboration.

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Honestly, we're just gonna say that
sounds to me like the perfect reason to

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announce this Disney collaboration, just to
put a little shot in the arm going

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this is not just a standalone piece
of tech. This is they're making it

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more accessible. Yeah, Like we
already have partners on board, the best

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storytellers in the world, in the
world and you know, are vouching for

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this technology. Yeah, and and
it could mean that you can do this,

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this and this. I also think
it's interesting that it is Disney,

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because you know, Disney has has
pulled back on their metaverse research exactly and

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and now moving forward on their on
their virtual and augmented reality side. Um.

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And I think that's I think that
is a a much more accessible choice.

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Yeah. Um, I think that
metaverse is still too much of a

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concept. Um because and I also
like their approach and the fact that you

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know, in order for the metaverse
to work, there has to be um,

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real world application, and that's something
that Disney can do with their with

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their eyes closed. Um. So
yeah, it's it's interesting to see that

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this is a sort of a little
bit of a side step for Disney perhaps

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yea. Um, but you're right, I think it's a I think it's

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a win win. I think it's
it's Disney's. What Disney gets out of

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it from my perspective is, uh, they get to say, Okay,

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we're on the we're back on the
bleeding edge of yeah technology, and Apple,

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as you said, gets to say, we're we've already got some of

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the best storytellers on board. But
my take was it's all going according to

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plan as I think you and I
talked about the last time we talked about

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this, which is that you know, it's like the metaverse and that whole

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thing. There's going to be an
infrastructure that's going to power all all of

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that system. And we talked about
pos where it's like Disney realized they don't

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have to make the infrastructure right if
they have incredible stories, people will come

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to them. And what just happened
Apple is like, we have this new

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infrastructure and who did they go to? Did they run to as this partners

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with Disney? Yep? And because
with eiger Back, he is saying what

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we do is tell great stories.
If we are the best storytellers, that

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we have the best ip, it
doesn't matter what the world is doing,

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because they will come to us for
us to tell that story. Yep,

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yep, yep yep. Well,
this particular story is over for this week

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because we have hit our We have
hit our thirty plus minute mark from the

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West Hunters Convention in Rosamund, Illinois, just outside of Chicago on behalf of

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Philip Hernandez and myself Scott Swenson.
This is Green Tag Theme Park in thirty

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and we will see you next week