Dec. 21, 2025

Six Flags Swaps Coasters for Toons

Six Flags Swaps Coasters for Toons
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Six Flags Magic Mountain has delayed its highly anticipated “first-of-its-kind” coaster to 2027, citing the attraction’s complexity and a commitment to quality. The project—reported to be a Vekoma Thrill Glider—was part of the company’s broader $1 billion investment plan and would have been the park’s first major coaster addition since 2022.

At the same time, Six Flags confirmed a significant pivot toward family-focused IP with the announcement of Looney Tunes Land, a fully reimagined children’s area opening in summer 2026 with upgraded storytelling, expanded green space, new theming, and refreshed dining.

Taken together, these moves raise questions about where Six Flags is placing its near-term bets. Coasters are increasingly expensive and time-intensive to build, and ongoing tariff uncertainty may be influencing capital timelines. The decision to prioritize Looney Tunes—rather than Peanuts—could also signal a push toward IP diversification tied to Warner Bros., especially as broader questions remain about how Magic Mountain and Knott’s Berry Farm will coexist and differentiate within the same Southern California market.

We explore whether this reflects a temporary pause on thrill-heavy investments, a reorientation toward families and reliability, or simply a pragmatic sequencing of projects while the company navigates post-merger integration and external pressures. We also touch briefly on winter and holiday programming that caught our attention, including China’s massive Ice-Snow World and Alton Towers’ Santa Sleepover in the U.K., as operators worldwide look for ways to stabilize attendance across unpredictable seasons. Listen to weekly BONUS episodes on our Patreon.

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Okay, from our studios in Los Angeles and Tampa. This

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is green Tag Theme Park and thirty. I'm Philip and

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I'm joined as always with my co host Scott Swinson

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of Scott Swinson Creative Development.

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On green Tag, we look.

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At the top news each week and in discuss why

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it's important to industry professionals. We try and ask questions

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and spark debate on our YouTube specifically where everyone is

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continuing to comment, which we are very grateful for. And

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this week we will discuss a little bit of the

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six Flags. We always have to give you all the

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six Flags updates. We got to do the six Flags updates.

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What's going on?

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Everybody loves six Flags updates well, and if you think

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about it, when it comes to the industry, they are

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the biggest player now, the biggest well they're they're the

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ones that are in the most unique position. I mean

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they're not they've been shaken up and it's interesting to

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see how they're handling it.

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Yep.

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So we'll discuss that, and then we're going to talk

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a little bit about some fun Christmas events that we

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picked out for happening all over the world that we

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thought was cool because it is our Christmas show, which

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I forgot about.

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Yes, that's why I'm decked out in my in my

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Christmas shirt and I'm out here in this frigid little

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Christmas wonderland forest here in Tampa.

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I completely forgot this.

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I don't know it's about. Well, but that's because Philip,

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you just took your Christmas tree down last week, so

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you know it's true. It's not even up.

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Yeah, I got o. We're gonna get there.

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Okay, So let's recap some of the big theme part

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of the sorry the big six Flags news from this

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past week. I'm sure everyone's heard, but of course that

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the Magic Mountain. There's some a lot of stuff happening

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at Magic Mountain. They're not going to get the opening

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of the big new first fits Kind roller coaster in

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twenty twenty six. That's going to be pushed at twenty

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twenty seven. Instead, they're getting a refreshed kids area.

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So so, uh, this is interesting.

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So yeah, the first fits Kind roller coaster is being

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pushed to twenty twenty seven. And what they told KTLA

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is that as we continue to evaluate our construction project,

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we've realized that the nature of this attraction means that

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it will take a bit longer to complete than originally anticipated.

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To ensure the coaster meets are high standards of innovation,

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thrills and safety that you expect and deserve, we have

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revised the timeline to twenty twenty seven.

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So the coaster was part.

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Of the one billion dollar chain wide investment by six

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Flags and it's the the Coma Thrill Glide, a suspended

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motorbike coaster that's not yet seen in North America, and.

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The kids area.

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So basically this is a little This one was interesting

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just because of the context of the recent things. But

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what they're doing is they're basically revamping the Bugs Bunny

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area to a Looney Tunes land, which is going to

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debut in summer of next year, and it's going to

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feature four areas anchored by Bugs Bunny, Roadrunner, Taz, and

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Daffy Duck. And it's going to include upgraded storytelling on

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existing rye it's new theming, expanded seating, selfie spots, where

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fresh dying locations, and additional green space. It's gonna the

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construction will begin right after their current winter festival there

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and everything else like the park will be open. It's

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just that one area it's going to be doing. In

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a press release, the park said each area will have

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its own color palette, fauna, landscaping, graphics, hardscaping and railings, signage,

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and more distinct experiences in that area. And the context

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is just interesting here because last episode we've just talked

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about how the Warner Brothers is up for sale and

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will Netflix buy it and what's going to happen or whatnot.

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And of course Looney Tunes is part of the Warner

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Brothers ip that they do do lease out, so it's.

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Interesting they're choosing to continue.

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Like so it's like business as usual basically, which is

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kind of what we talked about anyway last week that

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it was going to just be business as usual. So uh,

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And in case anyone is wondering, which people have already

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commented in our last episode about this, since last week,

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the Warner Brothers shareholders have issued a statement saying that

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they recommend Netflix instead of Paramount as the purchaser because

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mostly I think because they're saying the funding might not

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be as secure as the Netflix one. So so just

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interesting that this is all kind of happening. But we

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said it would take years anyway, because it will take

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years if it happens well.

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And to me, it's it's it's interesting, but it's also

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kind of doubling down because you know, they now have

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a much if this is after this is completed, they

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will have a much stronger anchor to be able to say,

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you know, we've invested in in this, this and this upgrade.

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So now that the representation of your brand, whether Netflix

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bies it or not, which I think they will, but

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we've you know, we've been reinvesting and supporting your brand.

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So please keep working with us, and please continue to

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allow us to lease the rights, at least in this

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format at of experience. So I think that that does

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not surprise me a whole lot. I I you know,

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if if for some reason, whoever buys Warner Brothers decides

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we're gonna pull all the the Looney Tunes, all the

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bugs Bunny rights, that's gonna take years and years to

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do because there's you know, there's some pretty significant investments

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around the world using those ips, and uh, they're they're

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not gonna they're not gonna go away overnight. But what

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I think is most interesting is this is kind of

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echoing what we've been sort of suggesting in the show

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all along, and that is the standard standard operating procedure.

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Procedure for large theme parks is changing. It used to

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be that the only way you could do anything that

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would make people want to come to your park is

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to spend a huge investment on a new coaster, especially

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a six Flags park that was that's been their bread

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and butter. You know, they invest in a coaster, they

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get a bump for three years, they pay off the

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coaster for five years to seven years, and it just

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it's not making sense anymore on paper. What is making sense, however,

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is providing more and more opportunities for families to come

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and and do stuff together. That is, That is the

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new trend. That is the new trend. People who are

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seeking thrills aren't going to aren't going to theme parks

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as much. They're going to places that have real thrills.

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You know, they're going whitewater rafting, they're going they're going

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bungee jumping, they're doing you know, they're doing all that stuff.

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So I'm not going to say that roller coasters are

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going to go away. You know, everybody, whenever I say

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things on the show, people always like to make it

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very black and white. That No, Scott doesn't know what

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he's talking about, because roller coasters aren't going anywhere. I'm

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not saying roller coasters are going away. What I'm saying

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is parks are recognizing that the return on investment is

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there are other options other than big pieces of steel

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that quite often will have a more or well a

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more positive return on investment, and especially things that involve

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family and an ip. So I think that this is. Yes,

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I'm sure they didn't have the money. I mean, let's

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let's address the elephant in the room, or at least didn't,

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let me put it this way, even if they had it,

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didn't want to spend it for fear that, you know,

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other things may happen down the road, or they want

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to make sure that the stockholders don't just start abandoning

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them so that they can maintain some of their their residuals,

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their stock residuals. So there's that. But I also think that,

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like I said, the way theme parks are working, I

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love the fact that they now include includes many selfie experiences. Yep,

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that was never a space.

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Yeah green space and self experiences are like new trends.

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they are trends that are returning, trends that are appealing

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to appealing to their guests. So to me, it's just

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kind of a I don't want to use the term

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right sizing, but I guess that's what it is. It's

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looking at at what is our what it's going to

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be our return on investment? And you know, will will

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the new updated family friendly area drive as much attendance

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as a new roller coaster in the first year? Maybe not,

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but it also won't cost as much.

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I was wondering how much do you think the cost

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is playing factor in it? And do you think I mean,

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I was thinking about this from a manufacturing standpoint, is like,

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is there maybe are they thinking that the terroriffs might

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go away? I mean, I don't know how how far

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it is in construction. I mean, I have no idea.

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I don't know if it's already if everything's already in

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this country and they're just like assembling it, and in

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which case it wouldn't matter. But maybe you're people are thinking, well,

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you know, it's a terrafs wind their way to the

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Supreme Court and as all that is happening, maybe the

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terrace will go away, and then it would I mean,

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if this if twenty percent twenty percent cheaper roller coaster

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is a.

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Lot Yeah, yeah, Well, and they may also be thinking,

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you know, let's let's let's not muddy the waters when

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you know for twenty six everything six Flags at least

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from a look how good we are is going to

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be focused in Saudi. You know that's true, So let's

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not muddy the waters. Let's let's not compete with ourselves.

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I don't know, there's there could be a lot of

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different reasons, quite honestly.

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was I'd forgot about the Saudi and goinghea that it's interesting.

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But I was also thinking, there's really nothing opening in

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twenty like there's very few like big things opening in

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twenty twenty six in America, and I'm wondering, if I

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guess I was thinking a bit, is this them trying

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to not just the cost and all that stuff, but

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also they're trying to be more competitive in twenty seven

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when you have larger, other, larger competition happening, where it's

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like they want to be a little bit more competitive,

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and like really nothing's happening in twenty six.

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you know, theme parks, theme park insider, people who work

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in theme parks know when other theme parks are planning

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to open things, yes, long before it's announced. So yeah,

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that's very possible. That's very possible. And you know, who knows.

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It could be a combination of all these things. It

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could be a combination of all And I would throw

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even another possibility into the hat, and that is it's

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an attempt to revitalize and slightly redirect what is the

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perceived audience for a six Flags park yep, because you know,

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we've both said Six Flags parks are and this is

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a gross overstatement, but many of the six Flags parks

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have the reputation of being blacktop and roller coasters and

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that's about it. Yeah, blacktop and thrill rides. So if

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they're going to do a deep dive in an investment

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and a strong media push for a revised, updated family area,

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that that may be another attempt to sort of reposition

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their their demographic.

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they they didn't choose to do this with Peanuts, right,

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A lot of people were wondering.

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It's like, well, where they gonna where the Six Flags

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Park's going to build areas with the Peanuts Now that

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it's they now they can now it's it's one chain.

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a majority of the stock in Peanuts and so it's

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like they're most most of the owners of Peanuts now.

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side thing. But it yeah, so I don't know. To me,

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and I'm like, well, like it's kind of more for diversity,

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I think, is how I would say it. It's like

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they want to you know, having multiple eyps makes you

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more diverse, and that way they I don't know, I mean.

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To me, it's competing iyps. I don't know whether if

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it were, if it were my choice, I would look

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at what what eyps are are resonating strongest with the

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audience that I want and and dive in wholeheartedly with

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those And like I said, I I think it's just

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to reinforce the anchor of the Warner Brothers characters, so

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that when negotiations come up in the future with the

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new sale. I mean, I still think that the the

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the impending sale of Warner Brothers has something to do

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with their decision. I can't. I have no insider information,

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nor have I ever dealt with that particular ip. So

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it's one of those I don't know, but I think

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to me, it kind of sounds like we're just gonna

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really dig our heels in tight. We're gonna put our

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anchors deep into the bottom of the ocean and say,

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look look at our great investment. Well, you can't take

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this away from us. Now, let's negotiate. I don't know.

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Yeah, interesting, some very quick hits too, just we didn't

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talk about this last time, But it's not that. But

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I think the last round up of six Flags news

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is that they've streamlined all of their apps and website together,

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which they did a few weeks ago, but we didn't

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mention it because we were.

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Just our next six Flags updates.

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But yeah, it's interesting because I, you know, I have

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the subscription to it, and so previously I had like

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the Notts app, and so now is all like one app,

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no matter what six Flags park you're a part of,

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and it's like one website and everything is like combined.

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So I don't know, people are freaking out about it.

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I think that that step was necessary.

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I'm let's go back. It's not the first time six

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Flags has done that either. When six Flags you know

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in there, when six Flags started purchasing up every mom

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and pop park they could find, and we'll call it

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the Geaga Lake syndrome, when they when they basically purchased

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everything they could find, they put everything under one umbrella,

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one website, and then broke it back up again. But

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in this particular case, like I said, we have to

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stop thinking about it as this is a half and

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half company. It's not it's a new company. It's not

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six Flags, it's it's not Cedar Fair. It is six

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Flags now yep. And I think that that helps with

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that narrative more absolutely.

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The new app, the unified app, it has all of

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your rewards in it and all that especially for me,

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just for me, because I write next to six Slacks

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like I'm fifteen minutes away from Magic Mountain and then

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I can drive down to Knots right, and so especially

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for people in this region.

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I think it's.

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Very different, but better because then it kind of reinforces

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that it's one thing.

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So I know this isn't in our show notes. I

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know we hadn't discussed this, But because the two prox

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parks are in such close proximity, do you see there's

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any possibility of one of them closing their doors?

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I don't know.

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I mean everybody here is asking that, like everybody in

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Sokyl is wondering that. And that's kind of what I thought.

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Why it was interesting that they were putting the Loan

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Tunes thing there because Knats has the Peanuts and they

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just redid the camp Snoopy, so they I mean, they

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just renovated that, and so now this move would kind

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of make you believe that they're gonna plan to keep

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both parks operational with different vibes, even different kids eyps,

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with new renovated areas, right, So I think that's boating

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well for all of that, it's just interesting because you're like, well,

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maybe they're thinking of pushing both more.

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Into the more family demographic, just because.

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I think, I don't know, God, I'm going to get

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in so much trouble for this with the theme park

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people here locally, but like the way I feel, like

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the way I think about the SoCal environment is you're like,

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Disney is still the best. I'm sorry, especially here because

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the Universal Hollywood is very small, and Universal Hollywood is

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where you go for the studio tour and for those

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things that you can't get other places, but they have

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all to do with Hollywood, right, It's so it's such

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a Hollywood park, okay. And then Disney is just the best,

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it's the largest, but also it's just it's the original.

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It's the thing, right, It's the thing. And then six

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Flags kind of has that vibe of being like the

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park in the suburbs that is like where tweens hang

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out until they are old enough where they have enough

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money to go to or Universal, or they move out

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of the city because like it's in the suburbs, right,

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nobody comes up here. Okay, I don't even know why

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I'm here, but like it's one of those where you

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know where like when you get old enough, you leave

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and you move into the city. So you're either going

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to move closer to Universal and then you go to Universal,

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or you move down to the w A Park area

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and you're gonna go to Knots or Disney. So this

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is like the park that you're at when you're in

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school and when you're living with your parents, Like, this

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is the park that you're at, I think not, I

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mean people do travel to it, but like not not,

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I I mean again, because then the calculus is like,

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why don't we just go to k Notts?

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Right?

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It depends on where you are in the uh, you

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know where you live, but it's only an hour apart,

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and so it's really like, you know, I think most

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people will choose nos because it has a more robust

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entertainment offering, and they're still so it is. This is

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hard because I think the only time I've ever heard

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people that live south that means live past the city,

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the only time I've ever heard those people be like,

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I'm going to go to six Flags. It's for two things.

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One is fright fast, and one is they want to

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go to a coaster mm hmm. But then the people

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that everyone that lives around it are families because it's

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the suburbs, and so you're so it's it's a weird

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dynamic because you're like, oh, this is interesting, and then

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Knots is like people love Nots because it's the cheap Disney,

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because it it's the only park I would argue, maybe

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not in their chain, but it's the they do such

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a good job with their entertainment, with what they have.

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Well, it was the outlier in the Cedar Fair parks too.

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It's always been the outlier.

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So it's it's going to be the outlier in the

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in the current six flags as well.

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Like their Mary Farm, it might be the only time

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I go. I only I only go to Knots like

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four times. And it's like Boys and Berry Festival, you know,

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Scary Farm, Married Mary and there's. You go to the

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main things just because they do such great things, but you.

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Go to the seasons festivals. You go to the seasonal festivals.

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You don't go to the core product of the park. Well,

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and the reason I'm asking is, I'm just wondering if

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this decision not to do a giant coaster is kicking

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the ball down the street a little bit, waiting to

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see do we need to have both parks or do

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they need to have both parks. That's what made me,

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That's what prompted the question, because I really, you know,

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you live there. I don't so I don't know what

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the local mentality is, but yeah, it's interesting. It's going

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to be interesting to see how this continues to play out.

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And of course we'll be reporting on it from now

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until the cows come home because it is the biggest

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mover and shaker really when it comes to the big

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theme park industries. They're out there. So we'll see, we'll

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see what happens.

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Well, yes, okay, it's Christmas.

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So oh okay.

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We want to talk about two stories.

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Nothing Christmas around me other than my backdrop and my shirt.

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I was looking for something that would be like fun

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and I could like jingle bells or anything. But everything's

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scary and Halloween.

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Oh I have this?

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Doesn't help me off this plant? Oh there you go.

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Okay, I'll put this here. So we have a little

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bit of Christmas five okay, So two stories from just

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interesting things.

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So the.

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So, okay, there's a place I've always wanted to go

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in this time of year, which is the Harbin Ice

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Snow World in China. And I think I got became

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aware of these artists because the Gaylord Resorts do the

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ice experience and you know, I'm sure our listeners have

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seen it or heard of it because they're in all

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the major Gaylord properties, and Nico there has really done

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an excellent job of expanding all of the entertainment offerings

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at those resorts. But the thing with those ice experience this,

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as you know, is that they're giant ice sculptures that

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you walk through in their ips, right, So you're going

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through like the Polar Express and you see the full

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size replica of the Express out of ice.

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It's crazy.

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All those artists are from China, are from Harbin because

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that's where like the world's largest snow world is is.

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And it's just it's their thing. It's this enormous thing,

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and I've always wanted to go to it because it

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looks so great. So it's just opened for this year

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and it's five hundred and twenty one meter eye slides,

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intricate ice sculptures, and other attractions. The park spans one

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point two million square meters and has introduced new performances

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and amenities, generating substantial winter revenue. So last year this

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park like this, like it's basically a theme park made

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device right, and last year it like set records for

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being like one of the most visited destinations, and so

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it just reopened for this year. It looks like it's

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even bigger and crazier, and I'm like, I'm really interest

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to see what the numbers are going to be, because

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I am betting this is gonna end up rivaling year

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round theme parks in terms of attendance.

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Well, I mean, first of all, it's huge. Secondly easy, Yeah,

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it's it's gigetic, and you see these photos and you

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see maps, and you go, that couldn't possibly be. That

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couldn't possibly be what I think it is.

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But like Native, it's like a city made of ices.

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Easy. No, I know, but I think that part of

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it is. I think you're right. I think it's part

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of the reason that it does so incredibly well. Is

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number one, it is unique there, you know, it's it's

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unlike anything else of this magnitude. And secondly, it has

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a fuse. It has a beginning, it has an end,

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and not because it cannot be extended, you know, extended

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due to popular demand. Except the weather's changing and our

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eye slides are now four hundred and eighty meters, you know,

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it's it's not five twenty one anymore. They're now down

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to four eighty and half the stairs are gone, so

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good luck. So yeah, I think that it is. I'm

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with you. I think this looks like something that would

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be so much fun and so unique and uh, you

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know it's if any of you who are listeners have

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actually been to this, uh, please let us know send photos,

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because I would love to see what this looks like.

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I mean from from a guest perspective. You know, I'm

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to the point now where I love seeing promotional material,

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but I really want to see it from a guest

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perspective to see if it's as cool as it appears

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to be.

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And it's the only reason going to the ice experiences

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at the gayal Or Resorts made me want to see

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this more because you know, then when you go and

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you walk through those, you're like, oh my gosh, like

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this is crazy that these are these sculptures are made

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of eyes and you know, and then you just imagine

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it being a whole theme park of it, and it's

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crazy because you know, I don't know, you don't think

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it's going to work, and then you see it in person,

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You're like, oh my god, this is this works and

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then you uh slide down the giant ice slides, which

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I believe.

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The poems always has one and it's crazy.

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Yeah. The Gaylord. The Gaylord experiences are are sort of

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the the to me, it reminds me of sort of

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the of the the touring promotional show for the actual

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park in China.

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Yep, you know it's uh, it's if you're right, that's right.

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Yeah, and if you and and I don't mean that

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to be a dig on on any of the on

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Gaylord's ice at all. I think it's amazing. I go

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every year they've and they've continued to add and expand

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to it. It really is. It's it's truly breathtaking. So

469
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if you have the if you don't have the opportunity

470
00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:41.000
to go to China, at least go to Gaylord and

471
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see what some of these great artisans can create and

472
00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:46.880
some of the fun in many in most cases I

473
00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:51.119
will say westernized ips that they can can bring to life.

474
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And of course everyone everyone that they do because it's

475
00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:58.640
of course Christmas. Uh, they do and I'm not particularly religious,

476
00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:01.720
but they do an ice major scene. They do an

477
00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:05.039
ice crash that has no color to it. It's just

478
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:09.839
ice and light and it is it's all inspiring. It's

479
00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:14.880
really beautiful. So so just imagining that times a gazillion

480
00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:18.720
makes the park sound like the one in China sound

481
00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:21.359
like it would be just way too much fun, way

482
00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:23.960
too much fun and something.

483
00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:28.720
The story, which also seems pretty fun, is from Alton

484
00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:31.519
Towers in the UK and they're offering a scent to

485
00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:35.920
sleepover package. And this is so this is a festive

486
00:25:35.960 --> 00:25:39.799
experience for families, featuring activities such as meeting Santa, exploring

487
00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:42.880
the Seabe's land, and enjoying a themed hotel stay in

488
00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:46.079
case of rainy whether the event provides indoor attractions and entertainment.

489
00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:49.480
The Arctic Explorer room and a Christmas dinner bathet are

490
00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:54.000
highlights of the experience. So this isn't like this is

491
00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:56.319
all new things. But what I like about this is

492
00:25:56.359 --> 00:25:59.200
that they are packaging everything into like a whole experience

493
00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:03.119
and so encourage you to do a stay, and it

494
00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:05.759
then allows them to put in, you know, all these

495
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:08.599
elements together, Like you get the themed room, you get

496
00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:11.480
the buffet, you get the Santa experience, you get to

497
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:13.640
enjoy the park. I mean, you get this whole thing

498
00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:16.240
that's kind of like wrapped into Christmas package, which I

499
00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:20.640
think is just that it's interesting because you know, we

500
00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:24.039
see this happen with this again, none of this is new,

501
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:26.119
but I feel like I don't really see it happen

502
00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:29.559
that much for Christmas, and I think that that's what

503
00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:30.559
makes this interesting to me.

504
00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:36.880
I love the fact that it's a a family sleepover experience.

505
00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:40.119
You know, it's so cool. It looks like it would

506
00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:41.880
be just so much fun. Just some of the images

507
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:46.720
and the descriptions. You're you know, we we bandy about

508
00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:53.759
the idea of immersiveness and the UK has done this

509
00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:56.880
in several other areas as well. You know, there's the

510
00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:01.000
overnight Halloween experiences, there's the so there's a lot of

511
00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:04.279
these sort of more camp grounding things. This is not

512
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:08.079
camp grounding, but just the idea of it's all all

513
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:10.799
Santa all the time. You know, you are, you're making

514
00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:14.200
the commitment as a family to go and experience Christmas

515
00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:18.240
at Alton Towers. You're gonna go see Santa, You're gonna

516
00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:21.839
have your Christmas dinner. But fet this is like everything

517
00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:25.599
everything a child would want for Christmas all rolled into

518
00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:26.680
one big experience.

519
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:27.440
Yep.

520
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:29.720
And the fact that it's not we have to get

521
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:31.720
up in the morning and hurry over there and get

522
00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:33.200
ready and wait and line and park the car and

523
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:35.079
blah blah blah, blah blah. The fact that it's an

524
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:37.079
overnight's stay kind of goes back to the way the

525
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:39.240
only way I will enjoy Disney anymore, and that is

526
00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:43.839
to actually stay on property, because again, I don't like

527
00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:46.440
the hassle of getting in, but if you make it

528
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:49.400
an overnight experience, that hassle all just goes away and

529
00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:52.640
you do your stand asleepover. So yeah, I think this

530
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:54.559
is really fun. I'm not sure it would I'm not

531
00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:57.720
sure how well it would play in the US. I

532
00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:00.799
was thinking that I don't I don't know that. I

533
00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:03.680
do know that a lot of people, you know, especially

534
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:06.559
here in Florida, you have to there was a time

535
00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:08.599
and my numbers are old, but there was a time

536
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:13.440
where if you wanted to book one of the hotels

537
00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:16.440
during the during the holiday season between Christmas and New

538
00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:19.359
Year's you usually had to book it about two years

539
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:23.039
in advance, and they at one point in time they

540
00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:25.160
actually had a minimum amount stay you had to stay

541
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:27.720
at least I think it was four days. That's crazy,

542
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:32.400
So uh, yeah, it was because again, so many families

543
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:36.839
are are willing to say, let's you know, let's not

544
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:41.279
have a traditional Christmas. Let's have our Christmas at Disney.

545
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:46.000
Let's have our Christmas with our families, because again it

546
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:50.039
is Disney does Christmas well, and quite honestly, in my opinion,

547
00:28:50.119 --> 00:28:54.440
some of the best applications of Christmas on Disney property

548
00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:57.640
happened in the hotels anyway, So I mean here here

549
00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:00.319
in Florida, they even, you know, all of the the

550
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:05.519
confectionery chefs have a competition to do displays that aren't,

551
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:08.519
you know, super high end. It's not the gigantic rides

552
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:12.839
and the attractions, but they're magical and they capture the

553
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:16.559
essence of Christmas in a in a really amazing way.

554
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:20.200
So it sounds like Alton Towers is doing their version

555
00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:23.400
of that in a sleepover experience. And we hope that

556
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:25.839
you know, all of you who are are listening or

557
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:28.079
watching the show, we hope that you capture your own

558
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:31.440
holiday experiences this year. And if you are, if you

559
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:34.519
are celebrating, hanik, I think we're almost that's just about over,

560
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:37.720
and Christmas is around the corner, and of course New

561
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:41.400
Year's is coming up closely behind that. So thank you

562
00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:43.240
all so much for spending yet another year with us.

563
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:46.200
We hope your holiday season continues to be wonderful, and

564
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.759
hopefully you'll find a little bit of your own Christmas

565
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:51.759
magic in the in the holiday season.

566
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.440
So I'm going to add also at the end that

567
00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:57.680
we are going to get we're getting pretty close to

568
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.440
doing our New Year's episode as well. So or any

569
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:03.240
topics or questions that you want to ask us, this

570
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:06.480
is the time. If anything you want to ask that

571
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:07.920
you want us talk about on the show, this is

572
00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:08.319
the time.

573
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:09.160
Put it in there.

574
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:10.559
I should have said this at the beginning of the show,

575
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:13.559
but we're saying it now. So put in your questions

576
00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:15.920
and also please subscribe.

577
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:20.759
We couldn't we couldn't have just a heartfelt holiday ending.

578
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:22.640
We just had to get in the commercial.

579
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:24.720
Okay, they probably won't listen to this part anyway. They

580
00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:25.720
probably stopped listening.

581
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:28.039
That's true. I started. It's like, oh, look, Scott's wrapping

582
00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:29.039
it up, he's getting mushy.

583
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:31.200
I'll yes, and then they just turn off. Yeah, that's

584
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:31.880
where no one listens.

585
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:34.279
Well, if you're still listening, If you're still listening, you

586
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:39.160
deserve this. Merry Christmas, Happy Honkkah, Happy Kwanza, happy Solstice,

587
00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:43.839
happy Winter. Holidays and we will see you next week.