Six Flags Appoints a New CEO — What It Means for the Parks

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Okay, from our studios this week in Los Angeles and Tampa.

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This is Green Tag Theme Park and thirty. I'm Philip

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and I'm joined as always by my co host Scott

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Swinson of Scott Swinson Creative Elopment. On Green Tag, we

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look at the week's top news and explain why it

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matters to industry professionals. And today we're going to be

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discussing the latest Six Flags drama, plus a new a

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few items over at United Parks as well.

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We just change the name of the show to like

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green Flagged. I don't know, because we're always because we're

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always talking about Six Flags, it seems that's it's true.

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And and thank you to a few of the comments

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comments last week who were mentioning that the news broke

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about the new CEO as soon as we dropped our episode,

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so it's like, thank you. Sorry, we're at Ayapa, so

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we're back from my oapa now. And of course the

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news that did break while we were not paying attention

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was that the Six Flags does have a new CEO.

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So let's see John Riley. I pronouncing that right?

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That is correct?

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Okay, all right, got it? So John Riley will take

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over six Flags President and CEO, effective December eighth. Riley

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spent twenty one years with United Parks and Resorts, including

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one year as the interim CEO there before he transitioned

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in twenty nineteen to Park's rundos and its Palace Entertainment division,

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where he served in various roles, including also the CEO

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of Palace for one year. Palace owned and operated parks

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as such as Kennywood and Lake Compounds until earlier this

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year when Herschend acquired the Palace properties. We talked about

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all that previously. Now here's what they said about why

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they chose John. They said, after a thorough search process,

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we are thrilled to have appointed and accomplished and experienced

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leader with the right skill set to enable six Flags

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to reach its full potential. John is joining at a

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critical moment for the company that's ununderstandment following the merger

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of six Flags and Sedar Fair last year. With a

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fresh set of eyes combined with significant experience optimizing theme

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park operations and performance, we believe John will harness the

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best of both legacy companies and will invigorate profitable growth

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at our underperforming parks. So that's what's going on. They

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have announced the new CEO. He's taking over very soon.

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That's in a weaksh Now, I don't know anything about

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this human. I have not met him, ever talked to him,

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or whatnot. But Scott has a lot of experience in

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these in the parks that he comes from, and I'm

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hoping Scott, you can tell us. Do you know John?

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What do you think about this? What's going on? I

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know John.

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I have worked with John. John was actually when I

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was at Bush, or part of the time I was

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at Bush, John was the VP of Merchandise. I think

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it was both merchandise and culinary at that time. I

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think he had both, but I don't remember for sure.

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But then he moved up very quickly into corporate. I

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will tell you personally, I really like John Riley. The

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thing I like about him is he gets it. He

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understands that, you know, nothing is quite the way it

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looks on if you He's not. He's not an academic leader.

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He's a very practical leader, and I think that is

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has always served him well. He listens to people around him,

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or at least he did when I was working with him. Again,

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this has been several years ago, but you know he was.

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He was very eager to try new things. He was

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very supportive of crazy new ideas that we wanted to

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test out for things like Hello Scream in Christmastown. And

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was was eager to work across departmental lines, which I

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think is another thing that is important for somebody in

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this position. Somebody who doesn't isn't quite as afraid of

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the the silos as some people are. And by that

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I mean departments not talking to one another. That's what

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I mean by silos. I have to clarify that or

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we'll get letters. But the idea is I have in

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all the time that I worked with John, I really

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liked him as a person. I really respected him as

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a leader, and I think that as he has moved

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up and across, I think he's bringing a vast wealth

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of experience to this position, and a wealth of experience

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that was garnered in very different parks, so everything from

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Bush Garden, SeaWorld, to to the to Palace, to Hershend

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and now of course Six Flags. So I've already reached

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out on a personal level. I've already reached out to

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John and and expressed you know, how how how much

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I am thrilled to see that he has this position

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and to wish him congratulations, and I hope that the

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situation is such that he can help there's a position,

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he's in, a position that he will be able to

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continue to help help the new company grow, because I'm

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tired of calling it the new six Flags.

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It's not.

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It's completely different company. And we talked about that way

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too much in the last episode or one of the

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episodes in the past. But I think that his experience

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and his level headedness will help him greatly in this role.

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And I personally wish him only well, I think, you know,

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it's I I'm not sure I would be brave enough

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to take on this position. Yeah, because it's it's kind

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of a it's potentially a sacrificial lamb kind of position.

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Yeah, that's true. Well, so some of some of the

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comments that we got a lot already, Like again, I

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think people have been like commenting the last episode, you

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know about this already, because you know, you know, yeah,

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our episode was Ayapa and then people being and so

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what I I've seen in the comments and also what

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I've seen in like some of the other posts from

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the other industry publications is that the sentiment is that

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United Parks is the one chain that's not doing well

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and Six Flags is struggling. So how can the CEO

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from the United Parks help Six Flags? And won't it

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just hurt six Flags. It's kind of like the sentiment

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is kind of like, of all choices, choose that's one.

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And what do you have to say, Like, what would

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you say?

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He didn't come directly from United Parks's that's the thing

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you have to take into consideration. You know, he is

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he left United I don't know how many years ago,

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but it's been several twenty nineteen nineteen, Okay, so it's

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been you know, six years.

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Yeah, so he in twenty nineteen he went to the

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Palace Entertainment Parks, and.

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So, you know, the first and foremost you have to

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if you want to make that comparison, and you got

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to look at what the parks with the United Parks,

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which was then SeaWorld Parks and Entertainment I believe in

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nineteen So I can't keep track of which companies which.

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It was, Yeah, a SeaWorld Parks and Entertainment interny.

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You have to look at how they were doing then

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and the fact that he was not the full time CEO,

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he was the interim CEO, and so you know that's

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that's a little bit of a lame duck position as well.

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I'm not irrationally defending him because I like him, I am.

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I'm just pointing out some facts that I think people

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need to consider. But he's he has a great deal

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of So they didn't go, gosh, let's go to United

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Parks and see who we can get there. But there's also,

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you know, having kind of fall into fall I kind

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of fall into that same category as Oh, your experience

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in parks was at a Busch Gardens or a SeaWorld. Yeah,

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it was at a Busch Gardens or SeaWorld when they

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were the second most successful organization theme park organization in

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the world. And then Universal took us over and then

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not didn't take over the parks, but beat out the parks,

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and then I was gone and then all hell broke lose.

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So maybe he has the lynchpin. No, I wasn't. But

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but the you know, you have to kind of take

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into consideration that quite often there are people who do

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look for people who have a certain era of Bush

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Gardens or SeaWorld on their resume. When those two parks

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or those that company was doing well. You know, there

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was a time where the parks did where the what

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is now United Parks were doing very very well, and

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it was because of the gumption, it was because of

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the the approach that was taken. I can't I've been

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gone too long to figure out exactly what's happened and

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why it's not doing as well now. But but there's

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a there's a running joke in the industry that if

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you've got somebody from the old we'll call it the BEEC,

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we call it the B E C X pat mafia.

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If there's somebody who worked at Bush Entertainment Corporation when

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it was Bush Entertainment Corporation, they know how to do

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things on time, on budget, and they don't dig too

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deeply into Let's spend hundreds of millions of dollars on

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theoretical tests and studies, and let's do it. If it works,

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let's keep doing it. It doesn't work. The mindset back

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then was much more in the trenches. Yeah, So if

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you need something done, if you need something done on

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a budget, finding someone who worked for BC when it

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was BC is probably a good candidate for you.

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And then then he went over to palace, right, and

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then palace you know, was sold off, you know, and

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then you know, but I think Kennywood might be a

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good example, right, Kennywood was sold to hershen I mean,

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and so Kennywood was under the palace thing when he

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was there, right, right. So so I guess I'm wondering

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what you think this will change, is it?

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So?

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I hear a lot of what you're say is that

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he's like much more practical and on the ground, and

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he was what he was, And of course we're all

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this is all what you know, we're predicting a little

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bit here. But it's like, I think we talked about

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how they had a plan but for some reason they

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just couldn't execute the plan. And was it because of

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you know, poor leadership, or that they didn't get whatever reason.

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We don't know the reason that they couldn't execute their plan.

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But in theory, if he is much more on the

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ground and that type of you know, all these things

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that you're mentioning about him, that seems to be the

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solution to taking the plan they already have and just

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making sure the people at the individual parks do it well.

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I think it's even there's something even more, in my opinion,

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more blatantly obvious too. The CEO could not be from

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either Six Flags or Seed or Fair That's right, because

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I had to come from outside, had to come from outside,

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had to have experience in smaller parks. So it couldn't

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have been Universal or Disney. Yep, because Universal or Disney

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operate very differently. And you put somebody from Universal or

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Disney into a position like this and they're just frustrated

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because they don't have the blue sky budgets. They don't

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have the ability to you know, do case studies, do

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do do de beta testing to a gazillion times before

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you open something. Six Flags doesn't have that kind of budget,

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doesn't have that kind of money, So having someone who

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is used to working down and dirty and getting stuff

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done might be very beneficial for them.

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I was thinking also that, you know, because right now,

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since they've wasted all this time kind of like whatever,

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you know, basically they don't have money at all, and

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that's why they've been closing parts of trying and sell

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them or whatever. So they're in a bad position almost

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in every direction you look at, Like the expectations are bad.

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You know, the people are upset, the revenue is low,

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the debt is high. But that sounds familiar in that,

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you know, kind of sounds like like SeaWorld.

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I mean, you know, it kind of like, well, so

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maybe's Flags. Actually it sounds like six Flags. Six Flags

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has been in this position multiple times. Yeah, yeah, let

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me rephrase that. The old six Flags, what used to

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be six Flags, was in this position multiple times. You know,

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they went on this I don't know whether were many

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people remembered or not, but they went on this buying

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spree where they pretty much bought up every park that

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was for sale, any park that was privately owned that

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they could buy, they did. And then they realized, oh crud,

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we now own them, but we have to run them.

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We can't do that, so they sold them all again,

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and here we are again, and not necessarily for a profit.

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So you know, they're just back in the same spot.

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That's where I mean, that's why Giaga Lake is now condos.

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So but it is interesting because you think about I

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guess I think about it where if you think about

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it that way, you're like, what's needed now? Almost is

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that grittiness where you're like you have no budget, you

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have a bunch of debt. You know, you can't whatever

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everybody is angry, you just got to start to make

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it work. And you again, I think that's exactly why.

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I mean, I've we've all worked with Disney people, and

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they really are used to like a different pace right

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where they're like.

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and Universal is the same way, multiple multiple, multiple layers

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of people. You know, you have the just looking at

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some of the Disney shows. When we were at di app,

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the Disney shows and it's lovely what they're able to do.

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But they also have you know, each show has five

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deck techs for four puppetuita that they have. They're very

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deep in their in their staffing, and Bush was never

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that way. Bush Gardens, even even in its heyday, was

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always very leaning mean when it came to staffing. Universal

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follows more of the are used to follow, more of

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the the film mold, where it's like there is the director,

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there's the assistant director, there's the second and third assistant directors,

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there's the you know, then there's the the the grips

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and there's like ten of them and they're you know,

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so yeah, so everyone has their own job that is

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very specialized quote unquote, but that's not necessarily a financially

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practical way of doing things. It's great when you're making

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the money, but if you have to save money on labor,

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it throws people into a tailspin.

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Well, I was thinking about that too, about the idea

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of I think both at Disney and Universal they have

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what's called the expert oriented leadership model right where they

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have experts, like they have a bunch of experts in

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different deals and they bring those experts in and the

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whole idea is that, like you know, you have an

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expert for topics, and that's how you know, that's it's

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it's just a way of doing business right. And I

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think to translate that, it's small Like I think about

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us at Gantum, we don't really have that because because

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they were again like people have to have multiple jobs,

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so you know, you don't have an HR specialist because

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you can't afford one. Like a person who's spent their

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entire career in HR and is excellent. You just still

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don't have that. And I think, you know, the six

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flags park, I believe are pretty similar to smaller attractions

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where they don't have someone who's an expert in merchandising

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and an expert in it and an experting you have

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like a whole huge roster, you know, of that not necessarily,

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I'm sure some do and some don't. But I remember

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when I was working more closely with the Knots team

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and you this was years ago, and like you know,

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Notts is one of the only parks in that chain

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at the time that had a carpenter like on staff,

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and some of the other parks share carpenters. And we

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literally just talked about earlier this year how the Six

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Flags like fired so many people and now there's one

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pr person that runs like the whole whole region of

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multiple parks. So like they're moving away. My point here

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is that they're moving away from the specialist model, and

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the specialist model is what Disney Universal use. So maybe

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that's another reason why this is a good fit, because

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his experience is not specialized, Like he's not coming from

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Netflix and where he's going to focus on streaming. He's

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not coming from you know, a Hasbro where he's going

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to focus on like IP and toys, like, he's worked

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in a bunch of different places and they're all smaller

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parks that have a lot of grit, and maybe that's

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what they need.

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if the questions are, why would you take somebody who

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worked at United Parks and put them in here? My

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question is where else would you have found them?

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You know, Merlin possibly, Merlin possibly, but I think that

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you know Palace, which is also an international company. Palace, well,

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Pallace's parent company is an international company. Was I don't

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know where it all stands now, but anyway, but again

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it's yes, there is, there is that Merlin is a possibility.

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But again it's hard to pull people from a company

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that is doing well. And again I just want to

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clarify they did not pull John from United Parks. Yeah,

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that's not what happened.

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Yeah, that's right. He hasn't been there for six years. Well, anyway,

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the next news item here just just to mention, but

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you just brought it up when the idea that you know,

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I think all his experience is in brands that have

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international components as well, which is going to be critical

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because of course six Flags is opening the Kidia Park,

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which Scott and I have been to. It is a

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gorgeous facility. People were asking me about this at Ayapa

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and it's an incredible facility, right, I mean, it looks

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phenomenal that this is going to be a big flag

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in the ground I think for six Flags, like when

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you see it flag in the ground, I don't know

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it's going to be a big six Flags flag in

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the ground. Internationally when you see this, when people see

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this park, it starts to actually come out like it

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looks incredible. It's definitely the quality of a Universal in

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terms of theming, in terms of like the assets that

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are that how it looks is incredible. So that is

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opening on December thirty. First. That news also dropped while

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we were And the.

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Thing that I think is is really interesting is we've

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been seeing, or at least I've been seeing on social

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media more and more and more paid advertisement for that park,

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and it it's going to be just as fun as

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it looks. I'm guessing it looks like it's going to

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be super cool. I agree with you. And having walked

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it and seen it and talked to some of the

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people working there, you know the thing I do just

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want to remind people of is going to the Middle

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East is not as scary as some people want you

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to believe. Women are not treated badly there, at least

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not especially not tourism, especially not when it comes to tourism.

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Having been there, having been to Saudi multiple times, and

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you know, my whole stint and Nabu Dabi, the large

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number of actually the majority of people I worked for

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or worked with when while I were there were women

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in leadership roles. So I realize that there are some

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slight differences in their conservatism, in their religious conservatism, but

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it is no different than what we're doing in the US.

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So if you feel safe being in a theme park

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in the US, then you should feel safe being in

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a theme park in Saudi Arabia. I just wanted to

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say that because all too often people will say it

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looks like a great park, but as a woman, I'm

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afraid to go, or as a gay man, I'm afraid

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to go, or as a And at the same time,

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we have to recognize those same fears are happening here

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in the US as well. So if you feel comfortable

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going to a theme park in the US and not

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being detained by ice, then you should have no fear

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of traveling to Saudi Arabia and attending their parks as well,

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because they are working very, very hard to make international

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tourism a part of their portfolio.

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So yeah, and we did. I also think it's funny

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because we did talk about the whole date thing, you

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know where when we were there, we were like, yeah,

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there's a lot that's last to be done, and they

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were like, we're going to open in twenty twenty five,

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and we're like mmmmm, and then they did it. I mean,

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December thirty first is still twenty twenty five.

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That's a cultural thing too, Yeah, the cultural thing when

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the royal family says we are going to open in

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twenty twenty five, and the separation between government and business

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is even less there than it is in the US.

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I mean even under the current administration, it's even less.

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There's even less of a separation. So the companies that

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own the conglomerates that own these companies are all members

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of the royal family, so they are directly connected. So

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when the royal family says, yes, we're going to open

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in twenty twenty five, they will pull out all the

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stops My guess is if you are a trades person

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living in excuse me, India or really any of the

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countries surrounding the Middle East or part of the Middle East,

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you will be working for the next three years NonStop,

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probably longer.

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It is.

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It's also unique that when they say open, that's an

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an interesting term as well. The parks may be open,

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they may have three attractions open, but not necessarily everything

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is fully operational, or everything can be operational worth the opening,

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but then we'll immediately go down for retooling. So the

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making that date is important, and it is it is done.

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My recommendation is give it about six months before you

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you book your travel.

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Yeah, and I would say that, honestly, I'd say that

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with any park. I mean, you know, we saw it.

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We saw it at Ayappa with with Epic, you know,

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it's so many people have said, oh, this is the

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first time I've ever seen that work, you know.

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So, yeah, it was much better later than anywhere near.

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It's just too many glitches, but you just liked because

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it was dark and cool, so you know, God, it

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was so much better at night. Never go to Epic

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like during the day or the summer or any of

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the it's so much better at night, Like you have

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to see the park at night.

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Never like, it's just it's crazy how much of a

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difference it makes at night. I was like baffled, like yeah,

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never go. I'm like, yeah, do not go that park.

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And speaking of speaking of Kidia City, when six Flags

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Kidia opens, don't don't expect to do a rope drop

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at ten am. That's where that is not going to happen.

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They're even gonna open during the daylight hours.

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They opened, they open, they're currently scheduled the last I heard,

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and this may have changed already, but the last I heard,

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they were currently scheduled to open at four in the

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afternoon and close at one in the morning, which is

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right in line with the way Saudis live. They're night owls.

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And then the last little tidbit rumor I heard at

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Ayappa was they were actually shifting that even later. So

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we'll open at six pm and stay open till two

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or three. Yep, So it will be a night time

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park because it's not indoors and uh so it's it's

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going to be It's going to be very interesting to

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see how international tourists fall into that. That mindset. Now,

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I will be I will be honest. If you're suffering

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from jet leg it'll be perfect. If you come more

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from the US, it'll be perfect. Turns stand to night anyway.

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So let's we talked about United Parks. But there was

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something that came up this week which was very interesting

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about United Parks, which is that the DJ is investigating

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them apparently for ADA compliance. This is interesting and I'm

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not sure if it's going to end up being a

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nothing burger or what. I'm it's this is very interesting

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to me. So here's what's going on. The Justice Department

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is investigating Unit parks and resorts because determined if the

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parks violated the ADA Act. A recent park policy prohibits

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the use of roll ittters, which the ones that have

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seats on them, basically due to terrain concerns. The operator

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is not denying equal access, rather asking guests to use

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alternative mobility devices like traditional wheelchairs or electric scooters. The

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DOJ has asked United Parks to clarify its safety concerns

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and consider alternatives, including speed limits or safety measures that

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could allow guests to use their preferred mobility devices within

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the park. To date, the DEG has made no findings

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of fault. They're just doing this investigations how SeaWorld, So

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I got this excerpt of what a SeaWorld responded. So

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what SeaWorld says is we are committed to providing a safe, accessible,

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and inclusive experience for all guests. After a comprehensive review,

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we updated our policy regarding rolators with seats due to

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misuse and safety related incidents in the parks because guests

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safety is our top priority. The updated policy also address

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the situations in which these devices were being used as wheelchairs,

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which is not permitted by the manufacturers. Guests who arrive

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with a non permitted device are offered approved alternatives at

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no cost to them, including rollators without seats and wheelchairs,

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to ensure they can fully enjoy the parks. So I

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guess I'm summarizing all this as there was some sort

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of incident with those little push push canes basically that

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have where where somebody was sitting in with us, and

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there was an incident and that's not we're not supposed

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to sit in those basically, and so we're supposed to

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serve them to rest, yeah, or that's the issue, or

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being pushed around in them like, well, but.

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No, because it says even the using them as a

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wheelchair is not recommended by the manufacturer.

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Yeah, yeah, make enough, that's right. Yeah, so all of

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those things is kind of what what what's going on?

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And so so basically SeaWorld is like, we're not allowing

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them in if they have a seat on them, and

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if we see one with a seat on them, then

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we're gonna offer alternatives, which includes the same device without

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a seat, or a free wheelchair or any other thing

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that we know we have. That seems like it's what's

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going on. So I don't what do you think, is Scott.

479
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:47.480
Well having seen way too many people, not necessarily the

480
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:49.640
people who came in with them, but the people that

481
00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:52.799
they're with sitting in those and pushing themselves backwards with

482
00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:59.440
their feeling. That makes sense to me. Plus again, they're

483
00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:03.599
not designed to be wheelchairs, and I think the fact

484
00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:06.000
that they mentioned specifically that they were being used as

485
00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:10.400
wheelchairs with those little tiny wheels, it can make it

486
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:15.240
so that any sort of irregularity in the concrete, which

487
00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:18.839
may not impact anybody in a wheelchair with a standard

488
00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:22.039
walker who is walking, who's walking with a cane, it

489
00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:25.240
might not impact them at all, could be exacerbated and

490
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:30.279
made to be dangerous if you are misusing one of

491
00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:33.359
the rolators or rollers. I don't know how you pronounce it,

492
00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:36.160
but those things, the seated walkers will put it that way,

493
00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:45.079
the seated walkers. So it sounds like it sounds like that, Yes,

494
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:47.160
there should have been There should have been an investigation

495
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:49.759
just to make sure that it wasn't a bait and switch.

496
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:51.480
It's like, oh, you can't use these, but you can

497
00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:53.359
rent a wheelchair. But that's not what they're doing. They're

498
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:56.559
saying you can have a wheelchair. And I think it

499
00:27:56.680 --> 00:28:00.720
is really really important to say this again that there

500
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:04.599
has been no fault found by the DOJ. There's not,

501
00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:08.960
you know, SeaWorld has not. Based on what they've released

502
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:12.200
so far, SeaWorld has not done anything wrong. It just

503
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:16.319
needed that kind of investigation to explain, Okay, why why

504
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:17.039
is this happening?

505
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:22.319
Why why would you do it this way where you're

506
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:26.039
blocking them from entering with it and not correcting the

507
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:29.759
action when it's happening. And then also how do other

508
00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:31.480
parts do it to other parts allow these.

509
00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:35.160
That I don't know. I do know that that Bush

510
00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:41.680
has always been Bush has always been litigation shy. They've

511
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:44.559
always been terrified of litigation, so they're going to be51200:28:44.559 --> 00:28:46.279



because the only way to deal with it, you know,51300:28:46.319 --> 00:28:48.200



if you if you say, if you deal with it51400:28:48.240 --> 00:28:52.599



on a situational basis, then you're being reactive. Apparently, I51500:28:52.640 --> 00:28:53.880



think you hit the nail on the head when you51600:28:53.960 --> 00:28:56.920



said something has happened that we don't know about, or51700:28:56.920 --> 00:28:58.799



a couple of minor things have happened that haven't made51800:28:58.839 --> 00:29:02.359



the big news. I actually think this is much ado51900:29:02.400 --> 00:29:08.400



about nothing. But again, I support the fact that the52000:29:08.480 --> 00:29:11.079



investigation is being done. I'm not gonna say out investigation52100:29:11.119 --> 00:29:13.599



shouldn't be done. If anyone has any concerns, obviously, let's52200:29:13.640 --> 00:29:16.160



look into it and see what the situation is. But52300:29:16.200 --> 00:29:19.079



as it stands now, there has been no fault on52400:29:19.119 --> 00:29:30.279



the parts of YAH United Parks and Resorts. So yeah,52500:29:30.640 --> 00:29:31.000



I don't know.52600:29:32.279 --> 00:29:34.000



I guess we'll see. Yeah, that's one of those where52700:29:34.000 --> 00:29:36.400



I'm like, this is an interesting story. I'm not sure52800:29:36.440 --> 00:29:39.240



if it's nothing Burger and I guess we'll just see52900:29:39.279 --> 00:29:42.039



if anything happens. But I the insane incident.53000:29:42.359 --> 00:29:44.279



My point is, if there's no if there's no if53100:29:44.319 --> 00:29:46.920



there hasn't been any incident. What what does the park53200:29:46.960 --> 00:29:50.279



have to gain by doing this? And I don't see anything.53300:29:51.240 --> 00:29:55.279



Yeah they I know that. What made it break into53400:29:55.279 --> 00:29:58.000



the news was there's a woman who was going to53500:29:58.079 --> 00:29:59.839



the Sea World Christmas thing and then they were like,53600:30:00.079 --> 00:30:01.920



you can't use your walker and you can use this.53700:30:02.000 --> 00:30:05.160



And but of course the way that then it was reported,53800:30:05.200 --> 00:30:07.400



this is always the problem, right, the way it's reported53900:30:07.519 --> 00:30:09.640



is like women denied entry to blah blah blah, and54000:30:09.680 --> 00:30:11.720



it's like, well, I mean she was offered an alternative54100:30:11.720 --> 00:30:13.640



that's exactly like what she was using, just without the54200:30:13.680 --> 00:30:15.640



seat in it, which she shouldn't be sitting in. And54300:30:16.079 --> 00:30:18.799



I think that's the park stance, is like, you know,54400:30:18.920 --> 00:30:21.880



like you shouldn't need this seat on your role later.54500:30:22.119 --> 00:30:23.680



But then of course she's like, I want to use54600:30:23.680 --> 00:30:25.319



what I want to use, and I mean, you know,54700:30:25.359 --> 00:30:27.079



you get it because guess comfort right, they want to54800:30:27.119 --> 00:30:30.000



use what they want to use. But yeah, yeah, there's just.54900:30:30.279 --> 00:30:33.039



There's such a salaciousness in the way that it's it's55000:30:33.039 --> 00:30:33.759



being reported.55100:30:33.759 --> 00:30:36.480



That's right, that's right, that's the thing, you know.55200:30:36.799 --> 00:30:39.599



And again that I guess that just kind of reinforces55300:30:39.599 --> 00:30:41.519



my point, why would you do this if there hadn't55400:30:41.559 --> 00:30:44.400



been a situation already. Why would you cause additional friction55500:30:44.480 --> 00:30:48.400



with your guests if there wasn't a situation that either55600:30:48.440 --> 00:30:51.359



someone got injured came close to getting injured. There's currently55700:30:51.400 --> 00:30:53.039



a lawsuit that we don't know about it. There's all55800:30:53.119 --> 00:30:54.480



kinds of reasons for doing.55900:30:54.279 --> 00:30:58.119



It, but definitely happened in the background and we don't know.56000:30:58.200 --> 00:31:00.039



Yeah, but they've definitely happened in the background. And it's56100:31:00.079 --> 00:31:01.920



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